I had a bad day again

TerryJ2

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Go to the top of the screen and click on "My Profile."
Look to the left of the screen and find "My Settings." Type in whatever you want/need to in Profile and signature. Be sure to click on Preview, so you can see what they look like.
I still get Profile and Signature mixed up and "Preview" really helps.
 

susiestar

Roll With It
Welcome!! It sounds like you have a pretty full plate. One piece of advice that may seem strange but is CRUCIAL to the stability of your family is to make sure that you get some time each week to do something that is ONLY for you. It may seem selfish, you may even be told it is selfish. It is NOT. If you sweep all of your own needs under the rug and take care of the kids, the house, the husband, the medical stuff, and everything else you will never survive this journey. You MUST make having some "ME" time a top priority. Not days and days of it, but an hour or two a week where you don't have to deal with anything but recharging your batteries. If it means your husband must babysit and you lose a couple of hours of family time, it is still important. Your kids will actually benefit because it will give them a chance to build a relationship with Daddy with-o you there. I am NOT saying he doesn't spend whatever time he can with them, or that family time is not important.

It is just equally important to not burn out Mom. Very few marriages survive life with a special needs or difficult child. You have 2 kids who show signs of real problems. So if you want to be the best mom you can be, the best partner you can be, first you have to be the best YOU that you can be.

I strongly recommend reading The Explosive Child by Ross Greene. It is sort of our "parenting bible" around here. It will seem counter-intuitive, but it WORKS. The Early Childhood section of this site has a sticky about adapting TEC methods for very young children.

From what our neuropsychologist, Occupational Therapist (OT) and dev pediatrician have all told me, Sensory Integration Disorder is at one end of the autistic spectrum. It may not be widely stated that it is, but that is what I have been told. It is at the mildest end if there are no other symptoms of autism. Few schools will recognize it as a type of autism, but the "experts" are starting to.

For what it is worth, whey is a milk product and does not have gluten. Many people with autism are sensitive to not only gluten but also to dairy. The diet is often called the girlfriend/CF diet, or gluten free/casein free diet. Casein is a milk component that is used in all sorts of things, many of which you wouldn't think of as "dairy" items. This diet doesn't work for everyone, but it can be incredibly effective for some people. The diet is certainly worth a shot. I would ask the nutritionist about it.

Has anyone explored whether or not Michael knows what hunger feels like? His body may not be processing hunger signals in a typical way. Other problems might be that he feels hunger but does not know what it is, that his brain doesn't interpret the hunger message and even the physical signs of hunger (like stomach cramps and the aching feeling in the stomach). These can be HUGE problems to treat. It also may be that at some point he got so hungry his stomach started to hurt. When he finally ate his stomach was so sensitive and upset that he actually felt worse, maybe even like he was going to be sick. It is a very intense and awful feeling. People with autism are often very rigid about rules. They are not the rules others tell them, but are rules they figured out for themselves. If Michael got an upset stomach because he waited until his tummy hurt and then he ate (or maybe ate too much, or too fast or a food that further irritated his stomach) and he felt even worse or maybe even threw up, he might associate eating with that awful feeling. He may have an aversion to eating because that experience.

How do I know to suggest this? As a kid my brain did not process hunger signals properly. I NEVER felt hungry. I did, however, have times my stomach ached and burned and churned. If I ate qat that point I got really sick to my stomach. It truly was an awful feeling. I struggled with this until I got pregnant the first time.

You are doing an awesome job for your sons. You have already started finding specialists to help you and you are doing all you can to find out why your sons are having problems.

I do want to recommend a couple of other books that you might find helpful. The first two are The Out of Synch Child and The Out of Sync Child Has Fun, both by Kranowitz. The Has Fun book is packed with ideas to provide whatever sensory stimulation your child needs. It has lots of tips for how to make anything you need as cheaply as possible. The first one will tell you a whole lot of info about Sensory Integration Disorder (SID). If possible, let your son choose the activities that he would most enjoy. Many people with Sensory Integration Disorder (SID) gravitate to things that will provide whatever sensations they need. When my youngest was evaluated for sensory issues I was stunned to find that the items he truly LOVED to play with were almost all items that the Occupational Therapist (OT) was recommending to help the other issues.

Other books you may find helpful are What Your Explosive Child is Trying to Tell You by Dr. Doug Riley and Love and Logic Magic for Early Childhood. If bookstores don't have the L&L book you can order it from their website (www.loveandlogic.com).

My last suggestion is for you to put together a Parent Report. It will help you keep all the info about the various problems in one place. There is a format on the FAQ/Board Help section in a thread titled "Parent Input/Multi-disciplinary Evaluation.

Once again, welcome to our board!!

Susie
 

Josie

Active Member
I will also harp on the gluten free diet.

I know you have tested for it, but the test doesn't always find problems with gluten. My now 12 year old daughter had stomach issues her whole life until she was 8. We have a family history of celiac disease and she was tested a few times for it. It was always negative. Finally, when she was 8, I did a test that is well-known in the celiac community, but not accepted by doctors, and she was positive for gluten and casein sensitivity. She was positive for both. Getting rid of those got rid of her stomach problems.

The best news is that my other daughter also tested positive for both gluten and casein. This daughter didn't have stomach problems but was diagnosis'ed with ODD. She was taking the maximum dose of Lexapro and we were going to add Seroquel to try to control her violent tendencies. Then, we put her on the girlfriend/CF diet, and she turned into a typical kid. She is on no medications and is mostly a joy to be around. She can not have any gluten or milk though or the old difficult child resurfaces.

I went on the girlfriend diet and it improved my anxiety, fatigue, brain fog, and more.

My daughter's tummy aches were diagnosis'ed as anxiety by the doctors who could not find a medical reason. Doctors don't know everything.

Whey is milk but not gluten.
 

Josie

Active Member
I will also harp on the gluten free diet.

I know you have tested for it, but the test doesn't always find problems with gluten. My now 12 year old daughter had stomach issues her whole life until she was 8. We have a family history of celiac disease and she was tested a few times for it. It was always negative. Finally, when she was 8, I did a test that is well-known in the celiac community, but not accepted by doctors, and she was positive for gluten and casein sensitivity. Getting rid of those got rid of her stomach problems.

The best news is that my other daughter also tested positive for both gluten and casein. This daughter didn't have stomach problems but was diagnosis'ed with ODD. She was taking the maximum dose of Lexapro and we were going to add Seroquel to try to control her violent tendencies. Then, we put her on the girlfriend/CF diet, and she turned into a typical kid. She is on no medications and is mostly a joy to be around. She can not have any gluten or milk though or the old difficult child resurfaces.

I went on the girlfriend diet and it improved my anxiety, fatigue, brain fog, and more.

My daughter's tummy aches were diagnosis'ed as anxiety by the doctors who could not find a medical reason. Doctors don't know everything.

Whey is milk but not gluten.
 

Marguerite

Active Member
According to a major Sydney hospital we went to (and probably according to others) there is about a 30% overlap between autism, and food sensitivities. We trialled a special diet to try to identify and isolate any food sensitivity issues (including, but not only, gluten problems) and were among the 70% in whom it made no difference. But there were others there who found a lot of help with identifying the problem foods and eliminating them. It was a laborious process but worth it, even for the null result we had.

I like your new avatar.

Marg
 
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BeachPeace

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Just wanted to add that when Indigo was diagnosed years ago - we went strict with her diet - No Gluten, No Dairy. After 6 months, no change at all. Was very expensive for us and also very restrictive.
I am glad we tried it, it was worth it to know that we tried it and it did not have any impact.
 

Josie

Active Member
Just to add some encouragement to the diet idea, we could see results very quickly. For myself, I could tell by the second day probably. difficult child 2 could tell her stomach didn't hurt within the first few days. It was hardest to tell with difficult child 1. She seemed better within a few days, but since her behaviour was variable anyway, it was hard to be sure. I already knew that my irritability was gone on it, so I was convinced hers would be, too, so I kept on.

If you try it, you have to be very careful not to have ANY gluten (or milk if you are doing that). Early in our trial, a product made with traces of it caused major meltdowns from all three of us. It was not pretty!

I have read other people say that it took longer and it still worked, but for us, it was very quick to see that it worked.

The doctor that came up with the test I used believes about 30% of the general population has problems with gluten to some degree.
 
I will also harp on the gluten free diet.

I know you have tested for it, but the test doesn't always find problems with gluten. QUOTE]

bloodwork isnt always conclusive--a biopsy would be conclusive.

and, op---both feeding products you mention arent milk protein free....boost and pediasure are very similiar in molecular and ingredient content....it may be worth discussing if a completely hypoallergenic product is worth a try...off the top of my head i'm thinking neocate (disgusting to drink--mix with a flavored syrup like hersheys chocolate or liquid strawberry syrup, if the gastro ok's either to make it more tolerable),....or there is a "juice" product who's name escapes me at this moment, that EE kids drink.

i'd REALLY push for more extensive testing--not "just" bloodwork....not that i want to second guess what you've done previously, but honestly, someone is missing something....particularly if they RX pediasure and boost and say "oh, its infantile anorexia" and leave it at that. there are MANY other alternative routes to pursue. i could go on and on, but i here is the best advice i can give you..."if it doesnt sound right, it isnt"

and if both of your children legitimately have infantile anorexia, i would strongly suggest investigating any genetic links....i'm seriously confuzzled (LOL) that two children in one family could conceivably have that diagnosis and no medical professional is questioning it.

cleveland (rainbow babies and children) are experts in the field....dont know if its reasonable distance for you, but might be worth a phone call.......
 

TerryJ2

Well-Known Member
Has anyone explored whether or not Michael knows what hunger feels like? His body may not be processing hunger signals in a typical way.

Good point.

And this is good, too: and if both of your children legitimately have infantile anorexia, i would strongly suggest investigating any genetic links....i'm seriously confuzzled (LOL) that two children in one family could conceivably have that diagnosis and no medical professional is questioning it.
 

Josie

Active Member
A biopsy is conclusive for celiac disease, but not all gluten problems show up as celiac disease.

My daughters and I did not have the biopsy, but we have problems with gluten. My mother did have a biopsy that was negative, but her stomach problems go away when she avoids gluten.
 
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