Miley Cyrus

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by witzend, Aug 21, 2009.

  1. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    OK, I know I'm really old and I don't have teeny boppers at home who love Miley Cyrus. I get that she has been very successfully exploited most of her life, for better or for worse. I know all about the magazine covers and pole dancing and other inappropriate behaviors for a girl (let alone role model) of her age. Sad to say, it happens.

    But she's got this new line of clothing for some company and they are running a whole bunch of commercials for it. Am I the only person who thinks that when she speaks directly to the camera her eyes are blank, like a sharks? Britney and Lindsay had better get out of the way at Spago.
     
  2. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    I hope Miley pulls herself back in. Daddy better get a grip on her. I have always liked her. Her clothing line is too old for my girls and will probably be long gone before they get there.
     
  3. tiredmommy

    tiredmommy Site Moderator

    I gotta tell you, I was never so pleased with Duckie as when she decided to cast off the Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus merchandise. She says now she might listen to the music or watch the show but that's it. No posters/dolls/clothing/accessories.

    I haven't seen the new line of clothes but I can imagine. :rolleyes:
     
  4. smallworld

    smallworld Moderator

    My girls are grossed out by her -- yeah!!!
     
  5. nvts

    nvts Active Member


    I feel even better! My SONS say she's a dork! :rofl::rofl:

    I don't let any of them watch Hannah Montana, Drake and Josh, etc. because they actually believe (gotta love the Aspies!) that this is the way that kids:

    1. talk to their parents
    2. talk to their friends
    3. dress
    4. behave

    Not worth all the talking it takes to re-explain, again and again and again!

    Beth
     
  6. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    Beth, we could never let M watch "The Simpsons". Bart's funny, but not to live with. He could never get that.
     
  7. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    A view into my world -

    If I left the house - x would plop Dude at 3,4,5 yo. purposely in front of the TV with The Simpsons, Beavis & Butthead, Nightmare on Elmstreet. Then dare me to say something.

    With regards to Miley Cyrus? I think even SHE is tired of herself and the Hanna Montanna thing - but knows she's got to make the money NOW because it's not going to be there in five years. So the commercials are purely profit driven and NOT in her heart. That's a shame. She should find something she believes in (in herself) and promote THAT. I find it hard to believe she needs money.
     
  8. totoro

    totoro Mom? What's a GFG?

    K just started to listen to her music. GACK!
    But I feel so bad wanting her not to, she is so desperate to fit in.
    She does not watch the shows. I think she has watched i-Carly a few times. Seems kind of dorky.
    She actually listens to a lot of my music.

    I seriously do not know what is OK music for kids... or at least decent!
    We have XM kids but it all sounds the same. LOL

    8 yo music such a weird time.
     
  9. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Well tell me what to let a kid listen to who is running around putting all her underpants on over top her regular pants? LOL.
     
  10. SRL

    SRL Active Member

    You'll be even gladder when you see her most recent performance at the Teen Choice awards. My 16 year old son's eyes about popped out of his head when she climbed on top of an ice cream cart and grabbed onto a POLE.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxUr2ggLlhI"]YouTube - MILEY CYRUS - PARTY IN THE U.S.A. LIVE TEEN CHOICE AWARDS 2009[/ame]
     
  11. Marguerite

    Marguerite Active Member

    OK, cultural differences again. Although I admit I haven't seen the clothing line ad, we don't get it here. But pole dancing - it's considered acceptable here by most people, a form of healthy exercise. Yes, it probably began as a tool for strippers to show off their naked (or near-naked) bodies, but we have had a lot of coverage of some very respectable people teaching on TV how pole dancing is a way to exercise. Trouble is, you need to be fairly fit to begin with. I would LOVE to have a pole, but I know I'm just not strong enough.

    Back when I was a kid, we had a garage built with poles holding up the roof and I used to try all sorts of exercises including climbing up the pole using my bare feet. I would have LOVED to know pole-dance moves to help me use those poles to get fit. I used to imagine they were fireman's poles (which we don't have in Australia - it shows te influence of US TV).

    But pole dancing here, is only as risque as the clothing being worn by the dancer. So if you have a man who is interested in pole dancing, DON'T send him to pole dancing in Australia hoping for titillation, because he is unlikely to get it. Only if you combine poles and strip clubs!

    I'm not certain, but I think we're getting them in some schools now, in gym classes.

    It really is in the mind of the beholder.

    However - other things this little cherub has done, including those photos showing a lot of skin - a bit 'adult' for someone who is still I feel too young for such an image. OK, her father was present but that only seems to make the eventual images more creepy.

    In Australia we have our own "sweet young thing" desperate to be seen as growing up and now adult. Her name is Nikki Webster. You may remember seeing her - she was the little girl dressed in pink at the Sydney Olympics Opening Ceremony. She is the same age as easy child 2/difficult child 2 (who also auditioned for that role, was in the final 30). We've seen the flak this kid has copped through the years (and very glad with hindsight that easy child 2/difficult child 2 didn't get the role). It happens - in Australia we call it the "tall poppy syndrome" and it is seen as peculiarly Australian, to attack and criticise those who are suddenly doing well in the public eye. But I think it is international.

    Nikki followed up the Olympics with a role as Dorothy in Wizard of Oz. A little girl role. She would have been 14 in 2000, she was still doing Dorothy at 16. She brought out a couple of teenybopper hit singles in Australia, one which had the teens secretly laughing at her - it was called "Strawberry Kisses". The song was boppy and innocent, but the double meaning of the title was perhaps not known by the songwriter. Certainly not realised by Nikki's "people".

    http://www.musicsonglyrics.com/N/nikkiwebsterlyrics/nikkiwebsterstrawberrykisseslyrics.htm

    As she's grown, she has fought against the public criticism. Much of it was as the focus of jokes from TV comedians, trying to get a laugh out of someone who was publicly perceived as unbelievably saccharine sweet and too good to be true. Disney would have loved Nikki Webster.

    When she turned 18, she did a series of 'tasteful' minimally-dressed poses for a girlie mag, "Ralph" I think it was. Lots of airbrushing, lots of black lace and bare skin, loads of makeup. But the reason she got the original Olympics gig is her baby face and it just looked incongruous in those soft-porn photos. Even though there wasn't the slightest "naughty bit" showing, it was obvious that the photographer would have had to have seen plenty.

    http://images.google.com.au/images?...&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4

    Her work these days involves a fair bit of stage work (not too much in the limelight) and whenever there is a TV panel looking at topics such as 'growing up in the public eye" and attitudes of her generation. She also runs her own dance studio for children and I'll bet there is a pole somewhere in her life.

    Despite working intensively as a performer since she was less than five years old (something a lot of people don't know) she has actually turned into someone remarkably normal.

    From what I've seen of Miley Cyrus - I think she is a very intelligent young lady, thankfully. She is going to need it in order to cope with all the flak hurled at her. I do think some of the choices being made seem unwise but she could be trying to avoid the Nikki Webster phenomenon, by challenging NOW the "sweet young thing" image which historically has always been so difficult to overcome. She seems to me to be deliberately stretching the boundaries, but stopping well short of "let's call in the welfare authorities" limits. I think it's deliberate, constatly re-setting the boundaries and preapring the stage for her constantly growing older and eventually maturing into an adult who will want an adult's career.

    Perhaps there is more in common between Australian attitudes to upbringing, and US country. I don't know - but in the Cyrus parenting, I see a reflection of so many people I know here, the ones who have had most success. It's realism, it's understanding that if you forbid everything, the kids will lie and sneak about nd can get into awful trouble; but if you accept the existence of some behaviours you have more control over it all. Miley Cyrus's relationship with "that underwear model" which is about all the bloke gets called in Australian media, is something I would find a concern as her parent. But then - think about how kids these days live, what their attitudes to sex are, the level of experience (sadly) in young girls of today. I remember back when I was in my teens, the surveys said that a girl reaching 18 who was still a virgin, was in the minority. Although only just, it was about 50%. These days - I'm not sure where the 50% mark is, but I'll bet it's way, way lower. sadly. And the 25% mark is, sadly, pre-teen. Because children get molested.

    But that is another topic.

    Time will tell who has been the most successful childstar, when it comes to not only having a careeer as an adult but also managing to be fairly normal. When I look at people like Britney Spears (and her struggles to find where 'normal' is) and even Shirley Temple, I do have moderately high hopes that Miley Cyrus has a better than average chance of making it.

    And I know that sounds weird.

    Time will tell.

    Marg
     
  12. GoingNorth

    GoingNorth Crazy Cat Lady

    I actually saw her clothing line today while shopping at Wal-Mart. I was a bit shocked.

    Lots of "belly shirts" made of very sheer fabric, low cut, etc. Skin-tight leggings.

    Hardly the sort of clothing that I'd consider appropriate for school or work, and sadly, much of it very cheaply made.

    On another note, pole-dancing is actually offered as exercise classes at many very conservative public "gyms" (YMCA, etc)

    I know that husband in his days as an actor/dancer, worked with not only the traditional barre' but also with a vertical pole.
     
  13. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    It was more her dead shark eyes that struck me in the ad, than anything else.
     
  14. Mattsmom277

    Mattsmom277 Active Member

    My 10 year old easy child watches Hannah Montana. Lucky for me she's a tomboy so any clothing line with belly tops or sheer fabric would have her gagging haha.
    She has heard that people say Miley was dressed too "trashy" for her age on the awards thingee. My easy child's reaction? It's maybe not even what she wants mom, but most girls want that, and she's only making money if the kids like what she's doing. Pretty smart, my easy child.
    My easy child also talks about girls in her school and class and she is stunned by what the parents let them wear. She is smart enough to know girls may see kids in t.v. wearing certain stuff, but that doesn't mean she thinks kids should wear it themselves at such young ages. She also asks often what the parents of her classmates are thinking? She cracks me up this kid. I can't count the times she has told me about a girl in her school/class and how if the kids parents would stop being their friends, and start being a mom/dad, the kid would not only stop looking sad and be happy for a change, but would also not end up pregnant before finishing high school ;)

    I used to mourn not having a girly girl. One to dress up in pretty clothes and stuff. Now I'm so glad for my one and only, superbly unique, intuitive and smarty-pants tom boy!!!
     
  15. Nomad

    Nomad Guest

    difficult child recently asked us to rent her the MC movie.
    What should I expect?
    I am out of the loop...know little about the whole situation.
    :redface:
     
  16. Mattsmom277

    Mattsmom277 Active Member

    I didn't see anything untoward in the movie. easy child enjoyed it. I found it kid friendly.
     
  17. Shari

    Shari IsItFridayYet?

    Chiming in late, but I LIKED the movie. Had a good story, kid friendly, no "adult oriented" jokes...kinda sad....don't bash me for admitting it! lol
     
  18. totoro

    totoro Mom? What's a GFG?

    K still let's me dress her, pick out her clothes. She is so sweetly naive. STILL I hope it lasts.
    She just finally saw the High School Musical movies with me watching. She was more into the singing and dancing, she didn't really catch onto the whole love story. She got it but didn't go goo-goo over Troy.
    Let's hope she continues to love dinosaurs and bugs! She is a kind of anxiety ridden girly tomboy.
     
  19. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    LOL...Keyana is a girly girl princess who is in love with boys too.
     
  20. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    I would figure with the Disney Production on the movie, it's pretty tame. It's her real life that seems to be a problem.
     
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