So....can we talk?

flutterby

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So....yesterday my doctor's office sent over my entire patient record to a FM/CFS clinic in Cleveland. I knew (from looking it up online) that it is one of those places that doesn't take insurance (oh, but your insurance will reimburse you, they say, for some of the costs) and you have a monthly payment plan - like $500/month for a year. More than my monthly income. So the place calls me today and wants to schedule an appointment and asks if I can get financial assistance with a cosigner via MedCare or MedChoice or something. Ummmm....no. I can't pay my monthly bills as it is.

So, she sent me to a website called fmware.org and do a search for FM/CFS aware doctors in my area. I found one that takes my insurance and have to go to a class May 5 before I can schedule an appointment. And it's at OSU, so there won't be any getting in anytime real soon. Especially as he's one of only 3 doctors listed in my area on that site.

I'm having a very hard time today anyway and now I'm just ready to throw in the towel. My life will consist of excessive sleeping, no energy, pain, fatigue, cognitive decline, dependency on others for day to day tasks...and that's just the way it is. Something to really look forward to.
 

DammitJanet

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So are you going to the class on May 5th? What does this class consist of? Is it at this OSU site?

Honestly, I dont think those Fibro and Fatigue clinics are all that they are made out to be anyway. They give you a ton of vitamins and herbal stuff and junk like that and you spend money and keep coming back. I never trust all that stuff myself. I know of several that got closed down in different cities.

Have you checked out www.immunesupport.com yet? They have a ton of stuff on there about cfs and fibro. I used to read on there all the time and they have all kinds of things about what works for some folks for both cfs and fms. It is really quite interesting.
 

flutterby

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Yes, I'm going to the class (have to in order to schedule an appointment), and yes it's at that OSU location. It's a nutrition class or something.

I didn't like the idea of the FM/CFS clinic and pretty much knew it would be a no-go, but my doctor doesn't know anything about CFS and was excited to find that.

I've been to that website, but it's been awhile. I've also been to cfids.org and all the medications they talk about, except for one, I've already tried.
 

DammitJanet

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Mark Pellegrino

North Canton, Ohio

There is one doctor I saw mentioned. Down below are three support groups you can see if they are near you. If they are any way close to you, if you go to one, you can find someone who has a good doctor. If none of this are applicable, call local hospitals...maybe OSU and ask if they have a fibro, arthritis or cfs support group. You may be surprised.

Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue Support Group
Peters
Bucyrus
OH
44820
Center for Health and Wellness Fibromyalgia Support
Mitchell
Hamilton
OH
45011
FM and CFDS

Fostoria
OH
44830
 

flutterby

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Canton is 2 hours away. The doctor I'm going to see - after I attend his class - is at OSU. Well, not the main hospital, but one of the satellite branches. There are many.

When my doctor initially sent me to OSU for rheumatology and endocrinology she was hoping that would get me started with the right docs there, if it turned out to not be rheumatologic which it didn't. Of course, that didn't happen.
 

flutterby

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Janet, thanks for looking that stuff up. I'm just in a very dark place right now.

I can't muster up any more hope. I've been sick non-stop for 8 years. First the worst major depressive episode I've ever had, then the severe, undiagnosed heart disease, then the MI, and now this. And every time I have another test, or see another specialist I have hope that *this* is going to be the answer. This will get treatment started. This will start to give me some normalcy again.

But, it hasn't happened. For 3 months after the MI *everything* went away. Everything. Symptoms I'd had since childhood went away. Except for the allergic reaction to Plavix that was allowed to continue for almost 3 months because the stupid cardiologist didn't want to switch me to Ticlid cause he thought Plavix was some kind of miracle drug, I felt amazing. Better than I have ever felt in my life. Now, that just seems like a curse to me. Knowing what I could be, but don't see ever being again.
 

Marguerite

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Heather, I share this with you as someone with a long-term diagnosis of CFS, plus a recent label (explaining the longer-term illness) of FM. It's not all my problems, but there is no one diagnosis that doctors have agreed on, even after I've had this for - 27 years! (but don't panic - I've known people who have recovered from this, in fact most of the people I've known with this have greatly improved, if not recovered).

The only medication I am truly allergic to is Plavix. But, every time I try to tell them about the medications that I have an adverse reaction to, they just cut me off and stick it in the allergy list. So, I save my breath now.

Taking this into account, plus the possible "difficult patient" tag you may have - you ARE seeing a new specialist so you need to inform him. So I suggest you still try to inform him accurately, but concisely.

What I do - I have my own list (I actually wear it on a strip of paper inside a medication-alert medallion around my neck, I take them a copy or if I forget, I take out my strip of paper for them to photocopy). My list has two lines - the first is allergy (defined as causing urticaria plus at times throat closing over). The second is sensitivity. In my case, the sensitivity reactions are all the same - gastrointestinal symptoms. So it's easy for me to divide the list of "I can't take this medication" into two.

The important thing with doctors, especially new doctors - they need everything presented almost in point form, as briefly as you can but as accurately as you can. When I was regularly seeing doctors about my CFS (or whatever we want to call it) I routinely wrote it all down. I finally took to faxing it in to my specialist a few days before.

Now, I have to tell you - I had one of the top specialists in the world, on CFS. I've met many of the others when they came to Australia for conferences. I learnt a great deal. I've mentioned on this site how I learnt my editing/publishing skills working for a charity - well, guess which one. I was very hands-on with this mob for about 8 years, until for various reasons I had to get out. One big reason for me leaving - I was losing personal perspective; you can't immerse yourself in a world of illness and not have it affect you.

But I had the best specialist (and he bulk-billed! Nothing to pay!). I'll call him the Professor. However, he finally retired. And he had such a huge patient caseload, that when he retired, he flooded the market. I still have not been able to get another immunologist. But what I have found - I don't need one, except in emergencies related to my allergy problems. And I HAVE been referred to an infectious diseases bloke for tat, who works on me case by case, when I get a bacterial infection that needs antibiotics. My infectious diseases bloke isn't interested in the CFS stuff, but he WILL give me emergency practical help. And frankly, that is more use to me than a doctor trying to help me with something that no doctor can help me with.

The Professor was marvellous, he was really good at boosting my confidence (hey - you reckon he overdid it a bit?) and was also good at the stuff my Infectious Diseases doctor works on now. So I guess I've partly replaced him. But the Professor also used to say, "We can't fix this completely right now. All we can do is work on the bits we can work on."

Over the years I was part of several research studies. However, most of the time all I could do was look on. But over the years I also saw a lot of really bad stuff happening, in terms of patients being exploited. The Professor and his colleagues were legit researchers, they had cred when it came to research in general (not just CFS research). They knew how to do it. But I saw other doctors coming out of the woodwork who may have genuinely wanted to help patients with CFS, but despite the fact they could talk the talk, they weren't able to actually DO anything either. Because nobody could.

Yes, some patients recovered. And whatever they were doing at the time, got the credit. What I observed that helped - multivitamins helped. Fish oils helped. Various oily vitamins and supplements helped. But what helped most of all, according to the Professor, was having a positive mental attitude towards life in general. And depression doesn't have to get in the way of that, because I also get depression at times, as well as getting depressed because of this rotten (and very painful) condition.

The mental attitude isn't something you can switch on, not until you have dealt with the anger and the grief over being ill in the first place. I mentioned in my previous post, that you need to work towards an attitude of, "I have this condition, but I'm not going to just sit around with my life on hold, waiting to get better. I AM TAKING CONTROL."

Another important thing to know - THERE IS NO CURRENT CURE. NO DOCTOR HAS THE ANSWER. Some doctors will tell you they can cure you - I've heard this, often. I've seen various public advocacy groups burn up precious energy fundraising for these doctors. WHY? I exposed a few of these doctors who were doing the wrong thing and (I believed) exploiting their patients and the families, in their 'research' (which I never saw achieve publication, by the way). I could tell you some horror stories of exploitation by doctors. I am tiptoing here in my wording, I am risking outing myself here, I will happily PM you if you want more details.

So what can you do for yourself, if there is no cure?

YOU CAN DO A LOT. You are probably already doing more than you realise.

So here, in a nutshell, is how to manage your FM/CFS.

1) MANAGE YOUR SYMPTOMS. You deal with them one by one. In pain? See a pain specialist and do it properly, if standard pain medications are not working well. Fibromyalgia? Add a rheumatologist to your stable of doctors. Nerve pain? Find a neurologist who is a bit more adventurous than most.

2) STICK WITH YOUR DOCTORS; CONTINUITY OF CARE IS VITAL. You may have to shop around until you're happy with your doctors, but once you have them, keep them. Any problems you have, sort them out. There will be times when you felt you weren't heard properly, but you need to sort them out. If you feel your doctor doesn't accept the CFS tag - good! Yes, that is good, because then that doctor will keep looking for a cause. And you do not want CFS to get the blame for everything, because I have seen it often - other nastier conditions got missed, because of the CFS tag. For example, my neurologist doesn't have a label for me. He won't call it CFS. He keeps saying, "I'm sure this is MS!" and goes looking, but can't find it. That's OK - I'm happy for it to not be a bad case of MS. It also helps me to know that my condition does resemble MS so closely, that my doctor keeps thinking in that direction. It helps me understand my own condition better. A different doctor, my rheumatologist, I first saw only two years ago because my pain in both hips and shoulders was getting out of hand. It's a fairly new problem for me, so I wanted answers outside the CFS tag. But after tests and treatments (which didn't work), he declared that I have FM and that means he can't help me. Now, I have known FM patients who regularly saw a rheumatologist, so one telling me that he can't help me with FM has me looking elsewhere. I also felt my rheumatologist was a bit too needle-happy - every time I left to pay my bill, his receptionist would say, "And did you have any injections today?" I heard her say this to every patient. When I had my last injections, they were NOT done in a doctor's rooms but under ultrasound guidance, as they should have been the first time.
The most important thing with continuity - ensure your files get forwarded. When you have a problem medical history like ours, it is too easy for doctors to get dismissive (especially if you get a "difficult" label) and if you turn up out of the blue with no history or a reluctance to share past details, it is a red flag for Munchhausen's. And you don't want THAT label!

3) BE A COOPERATIVE PATIENT. That means that if he wants to send oyu to a shrink for counselling or to find out if you really ARE a Munchhausen's case, you cooperate, even if you think it's a waste of time. it is better to go along with it and prove the doctor wrong, than to pull up stakes and move on. You will do better with hurdles known to have been dealt with, than hurdles you avoid and which therefore keep getting put up in front of you, time and time again. Deal with it all, no matter how frustrating. I did - and it feels good to be able to point to my psychiartist's report that says, "Whatever is wrong with this woman, it's not the cause of her physical symptoms."

4) KEEP AN OPEN MIND, THINK OUTSIDE THE SQUARE. I just saw an interview on TV about a woman who is coming to the US to peddle her book, "the Clothesline Diet". She lost 70 Kg by working it out for herself, including exercising by walking around the clothesline. She was too embarrassed to go to the gym, but didn't let that stop her trying to help herself. Also, if you have this attitude, you will find that the doctors you end up with also have an "outside the square" attitude. Like my neurologist - he's a bit off the wall sometimes, but he's been able to help me with this symptom, or that, by suggesting different ways to cope.

5) HAVE ONE GOOD DOCTOR YOU TRUST, TO BE THE SPIDER AT THE CENTRE OF YOUR WEB. You will develop your own stable of doctors and each will deal with his own special area of expertise. The neurologist. The pain doctor. The physiotherapist. But they all need to report to your GP (a GP for preference). You need a GP who believes in you, who will keep good records, who will continue to try to help you. A GP is a generalist, they holdall the strings. A specialist tends to only deal with his own area. The Professor (I mentioned him earlier) was unusual - he was a specialist who also dabbled. For a while he was also my spider in the middle, when we were between GPs.

With all of these steps, you COULD see a specialist clinic, especially if you don't currently have your own stable of specialists or even a GP you feel wants to help. Even if he doesn't know anything - frankly, that doesn't matter, he can learn as he goes. You both need to have the courage to learn together about YOUR brand of FM/CFS. A specialist clinic could be really helpful; or it could be an expensive rip-off. If you maintain continuity with a good GP and keep him informed, you are safer from being ripped off. It's no guarantee of protection, but if you will be guided by your doctor and he remains a healthy sceptic, you should have less chance of being badly exploited.

With the vitamins etc I suggested - you COULD take what a specialist clinic prescribes. Or you could work it out for yourself. I have seen equal success.

My own current management - I did my utmost to stay with the same GP practice, although there were about five different GPs I had to deal with. It became more difficult when the last GP sold the practice and it was amalgamated with a larger clinic. I managed to stay with tis GP for another five years until he left general practice entirely, to become a specialist (in addiction medicine, possibly adding in pain management). He actually handed me my entire medical file, as well as the entire files of each family member. I then had to pound the pavement to find a replacement GP, and fast - I have prescriptions which MUST be written by the same GP, every month without fail. Paperwork has to be filled in first.

My new GP was someone I found by chance, but I have faith in her. She scanned my entire history into her computer.

And now we have (at last!) a good GP in our village. But it will be too difficult for me to change doctors. So I see the local GP sometimes in an emergency, but make sure all information and results are sent to my main GP.

The Professor retired. We still see him on TV form time to time, spokesman for this or that. HE's working entirely on research and teaching now. I still haven't found anyone to replace him as my primary specialist. This was a bit scary at the time, since I'd had the Professor on speed-dial on my phone. We'd weathered a lot of years together. He'd seen me at my worst, contemplating suicide.

But what I have found since I was "cut loose" - I CAN do it on my own, just as well. In all the years of my traipsing across Sydney to see Professor, he actually didn't improve my physical condition one bit. He saved the day a few times, but I have found others (a number of others) to take the place of this one genius.

Over the years I've occasionally met CFS patients who were managing their condition on their own. some of them recovered, on their own. Of course they had a formal diagnosis and managed under the care of their GP, but the GP didn't actually do anything more than monitor. Frankly, nobody CAN do much more than monitor.

So how do you manage day to day?

1) EXERCISE BUT DON'T OVERDO IT. Do what you can, but don't over-extend yourself. Try to make sure you get some physical exercise every day, even if all you do is - walk around the clothesline! Stretching exercises are good. I've begun seeing a physiotherapist who has given me some incredibly gentle exercises (you barely feel you're doing anything) and these have helped my pain amazingly; I've recently been able to cut back my pain medications. But if you push yourself too far, you risk aggravating your pain badly, then you rest up, then you don't exercise, then you have to start over. So slow and steady is better than pushing to the pain barrier.

2) EAT HEALTHY. This is important. Eat a healthy diet, look after your body, give it the fuel it needs to do the best it can. Keep it simple. Remember - the Western diet has too much salt, too much fat, too much carbs. Too much sugar. Often, too much protein. You should limit your protein to a piece the size of the palm of your hand, at three out of four meals a day. Eat at least a dozen different plant foods a day (yes, fresh herbs count). Cut out all refined carbs and switch to wholegrain sources. In other words - grain bread, not white. Brown rice, not white. If you're not burning up all the calories you used to, then cut the calories back. They only slow you down anyway. Take vitamin supplements - feel free to source your own (I take Berocca - B group vitamins are ones I've seen help people a lot, with CFS). But keep your doctor informed.

3) DRINK WATER. Don't overdo it, but 2 litres a day is the target. That's 2 litres with no sugar in it. Water helps your body cleanse itself, which you need if you have CFS or FM. I think that's why green tea is something that's supposed to help - I find it's easy to drink a lot of it, and you drink it with no salt or sugar in it.

4) LIVE. Just get on with what you can do. If you can't go jogging any more, walk. If you can't walk, then find some way to get outside and talk to people. Get out into the light of day. Rest when you need to, of course (I plan rest breaks all through the day - I actually physically rest a lot, I have to, but I still get a lot done). Use your brain. Keep it exercised. Try not not let the frustration get to you, but find ways to deal with it. I found relaxation methods helped me a lot, but I've worked out my own that work for me. Same with everything - work out your own treatment.

if you want to go to this clinic, then do it. But don't pin all your hopes on them curing you, because nobody can. The world is moving on, constantly, while we try to struggle with our illnesses. We can't put our lives on hold while we wait to recover - we have to live NOW, with what we've got.

It's all we can do. But it can be a big ALL.

Marg
 

DammitJanet

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Marg...are you talking about the very start of CFS? The oh whats the name mountain retreat? Insled? Gosh...I cant spell it but I remember the story. I actually saw a movie about it...had the vhs tape at one time.

I couldnt agree more with what you wrote more. I have always tried to do what you have said with the gp as my center doctor and have the specialists as my referrals. I have gone to a rheumy and had them look over what my GP was doing to treat my Fibro and okay it. At the time we didnt have a local Rheumy. I see an ortho for the arthritis and surgical needs but it would be insane to go to him constantly. I dont have the option of curling up and not functioning at all. No one else is going to cook, buy groceries, do the dishes, take me to the store or doctors or play with my grandkids. I still have to participate in life unless I am dead...lol. I got a month off after getting home from the hospital but then I had to get back to work!
 

flutterby

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Thank you, Marg, for taking the time to go into such depth of information. I'm printing that out.

I do use my GP as my point, and referrals go out from her and the specialists "report" (for lack of a better word) back to her. She just doesn't know anything about CFS - I'm not entirely sure she believes I have it, but they haven't found anything else - so she's grasping at straws.

I'm not at all interested in that FM/Fatigue Clinic. However, the doctor at OSU (Ohio State University) is in Integrative Medicine and is FM/CFS aware - something not all doctors are, as is illustrated by my GP (whom I adore, by the way).

I've seen 3 rheumy's. The first one lost interest after he diagnosed me with FM, the other 2 (one at OSU and one at the Cleveland Clinic) both said that I have FM and they don't need to see me again. I've seen 2 neurologists (because the first one left the practice) and other than diagnosing ulnar nerve damage, and ordering the neuropsychologist testing, they're not interested in doing anything else. The endocrinologist stated that I am a "complicated patient that is going to take some time to figure out". At this point, I'm going to see what the pain doctor does with those issues rather than continue to "specialist shop". I also want to see what the FM/CFS aware doctor has to offer. My GP will be aware of the new doctor. For one thing, I always keep her in the loop. For another, because of me she's found several new doctors to refer patients to, so I always let her know when I've stumbled onto something/someone. She's told me before, for example, when I found the psychiatrist for difficult child without a wait that she told the nurse to "right that down and don't lose it" so she can give it out to other patients. I am a very active participant in my health care.

It's not like I just lie around the house all day and do nothing. I have difficult child to take care of, running to appointments, IEP meetings and meeting with professionals to be on "my" team (as opposed to the school staff), animals to take care of - including chasing my bad cat around the neighborhood today to break up a cat fight - laundry to do, etc. It's just that those things take everything out of me. I have appointments every day this week except for Friday and I know I'm going to be down for a week. But, the appointments are unavoidable. And Friday I plan to go visit my bff while the kids are in school. Just to get out of the house. She has lupus, so she gets it. And we've been friends for 11 years. She was there when I did the nasty depression thing 8 years ago.

difficult child did yoga in the psychiatric hospital and she came home with a sheet with the stretches and what order. We've done that a couple of times. Once the pain calms down again, I'll start that up again. It's interesting how yoga works. When I need it to relax me, it does. But, I can do the same stretches/exercises and feel invigorated if that's what I need.

And then there's the cognitive stuff. That really distresses me.

I'm trying to do the right things. I'm trying to correct my thinking. I'm just going through a really rough patch and it feels just like it did 8 years ago, and I'm terrified of going back to that place. Everything just hit me at once. But, I always end up putting one foot in front of the other. Sometimes it just takes longer than other times. And it really sucks while you're going through it. I feel very despondent and hopeless at the moment. And I really don't like the way it feels.
 

Marguerite

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I've seen 3 rheumy's. The first one lost interest after he diagnosed me with FM...

Same as me. He's a good rheumatologist, but I won't go back to him because I'm clearly not interesting enough to him, plus I don't like doctors who have a "revolving door" approach, where all patients get the same diagnosis and same treatment. Especially with CFS, especially when you have other stuff happening, you need an individual approach. That's why I recommend you be the boss of your own treatment team, because you know you, best of anybody.

Don't worry if your GP doesn't know CFS. She knows you, and she believes in you. That is more important. As long as she keeps on looking, keeps on doing the basic "Let's make sure you haven't got anything else nasty going on" tests.

Keep those specialists in your stable, the ones already on board. Go back for your check-ups, make sure they write back to your GP. But I agree, there's no point searching for the magic specialist with the miracle cure - I say I had one of the best in the world, and HE couldn't cure me. But at least he didn't promise to, unlike some who promised others and are now lying low...

You sound like you're already doing all the right things. Just because I wrote stuff down in ly "to do" list doesn't mean I think you need a kick up the rear - far from it. I just put it ALL down, including stuff you're probably already doing. I wanted to validate the stuff you already have under your belt.

It's horrible, how this feels. The brain fog is nasty in how it can sap your self-confidence. I value my brain and to feel like I was losing that too, was awful.

Here are some tricks that have worked for me:

1) Keep your brain active, but when you feel mentally tired, take a break. Don't push your brain harder than you can handle at that moment. SO to that end - I have several books going at the same time, from something at kids' level (I read all the Babysitters Little Sister books, officially so I could discuss them with my kids) to tertiary level research journals to the classics. I also do Sudoku or other brain puzzles. I keep lifting the bar where I can, finding more difficult ways to do something easy mentally, like doing Sudoku without writing in those little numbers as clues; I try to do it all in my head. But I've worked up to this over time. I have multiple Sudoku books everywhere so I can pick it up and just do a bit more whenever I have a spare minute. But I also find that often, Sudoku puts me to sleep.

2) Find a hobby that you can work on a little at a time. Crochet is good, because again, you can put it down easily. TimerLady paints watercolours, which helps her emotionally a great deal. I write, but I also am working towards taking up oil painting. I've been watching a TV show which explains how to do it. I won't go to classes. I've never been to writing classes, not official ones. But I've taught them in recent years! I never thought my dabbling in writing would take me there. I've begun knitting (but find I have to go carefully and prop my shoulders so they're not taking the workload). I'm knitting squares to make blankets, following a program done by a Sydney radio station, "Wrapped With Love", who make knitted blankets to send to refugees around the world. I'm thinking of upping the ante again (for the mental stimulation) and I recently knitted a Fairisle square. Just to prove to myself that I could. Next - I might start knitting a jumper for my first grandchild. No, there isn't one on the way yet, but I know how long this could take me to knit!

3) Recognise everything you do in a day. I find the Morning thread is good for me that way, because for me, the thread happens at the end of my day (thanks to being in Australia!) so it gives me a chance to look back over what I have done for the day. Value everything you do. Recognise the effort you have put in, just to sit in a doctor's waiting room. If you feel tired, know that you are justified to feel that way because you have expended that energy. Look back on your day at all the things you have achieved and be proud of everything you accomplished. If all you did was get to a doctor, that is still an achievement to be proud of. If all you did was the cooking, the juggling of education for the kids plus timing the other family needs, then you have achieved more than you think. Time spent on yourself is also an achievement to be valued. And if your difficult children dump on you and tell you that you are a lousy excuse for a mother - you are telling yourself you are not, and frankly in tis, you have more experience than they do; your opinion counts for far more.

Heather, it is hard to realise this when you are feeling really down, but there IS joy in life, even when you are struggling with CFS. When you can only walk slowly and short distances only, it is the slow walker who is more likely to see the butterflies and find the four-leafed clovers. But sometimes you need to actively work on finding that joy every day.

I had to go to hospital for a few weeks in 1997. It was bad timing for us - the day I was sent to hospital was the same day we were told that difficult child 3 was autistic and difficult child 1 had Asperger's. In fact we had just left the pediaitrician's office, still stunned form the news, and were walking back to the car when my mobile phone rang. It was the Professor telling me I was supposed to be in the hospital, they had a bed for me and to go straight there. So right when we were trying to come to terms with the stunning news about our boys, husband & I were separated. husband had to cope with the house and the kids, plus handle all the appointments that suddenly filled our lives - and I was in hospital. I was the one who usually did all this, who kept things running. We lived too far from the hospital for husband & the kids to visit much, so we really were apart. We needed to be with one another.

naturally I was depressed. The psychiatrists assessed me (part of the multidisciplinary approach) and declared I had dysthymia. A psychologist who I had known separately (thanks to my long-term advocacy) saw me immeidately after the psychiatrists told me their diagnosis and her response was, "Rubbish! If you're a bit down right now, you have very good reason. That is not necessarily dysthymia; it is reactive depression. You don't need pills. You need your family."

I'd been told that dysthymia meant that while I wasn't seriously depressed, my mood was constantly low and I wouldn't get the same enjoyment from, say, a sunset. So as I watched the sun go down over the sea that evening (my hospital room had a great view!), I thought hard about it. I studied that sunset and observed the colours changing and the way the breaking surf reflected back the colours. I forced myself to only think about that sunset and to cast my mind back to happy times when those colours reminded me of good things. That deep apricot colour of the sky was the colour of a favourite shawl I used to borrow from my great aunt. I remembered the feel of the silk tassels around my shoulders. That magic twilight silver-blue of the sea was my favourite silk coat. It became a luxurious silken sunset. After the sky was dark, I thought again - did I enjoy that sunset? Yep. Was I capable of enjoying beautiful things in life; those unexpected moments of joy? Certainly, even when life was throwing crud at me.

Since then I've deliberately sought out those moments of joy in the midst of yuk. They are there but sometimes hidden. But they are like healing medication, massive pain relief for the soul, when you find them.

Spending a few minutes each day looking for the fragments of joy, is time well spent and yet more achievement.

Value it all.

Marg
 

Josie

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I am an optimist. My daughter is in a situation similar to yours. Maybe I am vulnerable to being exploited, but I have not accepted that she is going to live like this forever. I can't imagine telling her she is. Maybe I am doing her a disservice, but frankly, I know she would not want to live, if that was the case.

So, being the eternal optimist, I believe if you felt that much better after you were in the hospital with your heart attack, you can feel much better again. Do you have your records from that time and have you looked them over to see what medications you were taking when you got home or were given in the hospital?

Also, a few months ago, she was having trouble walking due to fatigue and balance problems. We thought her illness was progressing, but we stopped one of her medications which eliminated her balance problems. Then we stopped another one and her fatigue seems to be improving some. (She would not agree with this but she is doing more now.) Her doctor didn't think these medications were causing the problems but changed them for other reasons.

It was far from a miracle for her to stop those medications, but it does seem to have improved her situation a little and when you are that ill, every little bit helps. So possibly, you could find some improvement with some medication changes, even if it is stopping some. I will say that I was very nervous about stopping hers because I thought it was helping.
 
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Marguerite

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I have not accepted that she is going to live like this forever. I can't imagine telling her she is. Maybe I am doing her a disservice, but frankly, I know she would not want to live, if that was the case.

You are right - she wouldn't want to live. If I had known then what I know now, I probably would have gone through with it. But looking back, I am very glad I am still here because I get a lot more out of life than I thought I would.

I'm not saying, Hope, that your daughter will always have this. Nor am I saying I will, or Heather will. But we have to get on and live life NOW, not wait until we recover to get on with life.

Let's say we're stuck with this condition for two years. If you spend tat two years doing noting, staying uninvolved with the world and with life, you wake up one day recovered, but the rest of the world is two years ahead of you.

We know now, that going to bed and staying there to rest does NOT speed up recovery from CFS. The people I have known who have recovered, have done so in various ways but mostly, by doing as much as they can within their own limitations. Most have had their acute phases when they were bedridden; but as soon as they could, they got up and began to take their life back.

The ones who get this condition in their teens tend to have more severe symptoms; but they also are the ones who seem to recover more fully, often quite spectacularly. Also in my experience, those who developed this after getting glandular fever were also more likely to recover. There was a peak at the 2 year mark and another at the five year mark. Most recovered within the two years. But I have known a woman who recovered completely, after 12 years.

There is always hope.

Marg
 
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