I read a couple of posts tonight that were about 17 year olds. Although my situation isn't as bad, I see parallels. Mine told me tonight that I owed money to him because I "have more than I will ever spend and it will just be" his someday. Basically he believes in a world where I work, I pay and he plays. Darn it, should've asked if he still believed in Santa too. He is already flunking school. He stole my credit card last month and bought gas. I believe in tough love. I have locked up everything of value. A month of having nothing to do and nothing to wear but white tshirts and plain shorts did improve some things. But then he opens his mouth and does something stupid again. I frankly do not care if he is unhappy. That is not my responsibility. He now cries daily because I refuse to allow him to withdraw from school andbtake the GED. He threatens to run away and I say I will sell or give away all your stuff within 24 hours. He stays because he knows I will do it. Why do they behave like very tall two year olds? I know the stuff is going to hit the fan next year (assuming he finishes high school) because the minute I get failing college grades, my answer is "get a job". Then I will likely give him cash to get an apartment simply to get him out of the house peacefully. I know soon he will whine about not having the cash for rent but that is his problem and he no longer lives with me. Know what I mean? I am rambling. It has been a long week. All you parents of 17 year olds, stay tough. It is the only sane thing. P.s. My gtg has a new friend. Her parents are swingers and tell their teen daughters all about it. I would like to go knock them in the head merely for allowing a situation where my son learned about this. Sheeessh, some people arebtruly idiots!