difficult child (14!!!) has always has encopresis, and it's not getting better. He's never been "normal" or completely toilet trained in the normal sense. I've taken him to specialist, and two pediatricians, and followed their advice to a tee, but it's never going to work if difficult child doesn't help... it's only me & husband that want's him to get over this... difficult child doesn't give a wit.. Today I see a big spot on his shorts (he denied it earlier) and when I called him on it he says "i'm sorry" in the usual way... but he's not sorry, i can tell. The smell doesn't bother him, he denies it every time, he would rather poop in his pants if it means he doesn't have to stop his game or whatever. I'm venting--- i'm sorry, i've heard all the advice before... and i've posted many times. I've taken all the advice, and I don't want everyone to give me the behavior modifications again... We are doing them.....I'm just saying it won't work without difficult child wanting it to stop and so the treatments (miralax, maintenance miralax, benefiber...) and sitting on the toilet... can work. I'm just saying that it's sickening me and I can't help him unless he wants to help himself!!! Thanks for "listening"