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<blockquote data-quote="LoonyAlana" data-source="post: 617040" data-attributes="member: 17555"><p>Thanks for more info- I don't know why, but now that he's school aged, I just don't think of him as 'early childhood' anymore. Probably just my weird thinking. We considered bipolar as a possibility early on... like as early as 2 and 3 we were worried he had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) or bipolar... something. He's just always been this stubborn child that is VERY difficult and set in his ways. He seems to have traits that point to Asperger's, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), ODD, and we don't even try to deny he has severe ADHD. He seriously is like the 'poster boy' for severe ADHD. Our Pastor (he's also my boss) thought that he had autism, and even his pediatrician thought that was a possibility (that is what lead to the referral to a neurologist and the ADHD diagnosis)... the play therapist, neurologist, and now psychologist have all ruled out that possibility, because he is too social. But I'm really concerned about his lack of concern and empathy. He really doesn't care at all about punishments. He spanks himself and says he likes it. If we threaten to throw away a favored toy- he says, "Go ahead. Do it." It's like he's daring us to punish him, and could care less what the rules and punishments for not following said rules are. I even had a long discussion with our daycare provider (thank goodness they've been willing to work with us and not kick him out because there is not another program that would take him). He feels he 'owns' his friends (or rather, the kids he likes) - for example he asked the Daycare teacher, "Where is MY Mario?" She informed him that Mario is his own person, and does not belong to anyone but his family, but he still insisted, "No, he's MY Mario." Then (during the same afternoon) he attempted to play (really, boss around the other kid) and Mario flat out told him, "leave me alone and stop picking on me." So, he wants to make other kids do what HE wants, when he wants, in the way that he wants or else he throws a fit. Another little girl (that has been 'friends' with him for years now) told him, "I'm not playing with you because you hit the teachers and your friends." My son promptly replied, "I don't like you!" Her response was, "You don't have to like me." (pretty smart for a 5 year old on her part.)</p><p></p><p>I guess, I'm not thinking it's bipolar at this point because he is has NO remorse. NO guilt. No care of rules, of breaking them, of punishments. It seems like even the worst ADHD kid out there would at least feel guilty about doing something wrong, and he knows when he's doing something wrong - he just flat out tells daycare and me and teachers, "I don't care." when we try and lay out rules. My husband was saying just last night, "Well I don't put up with that, I am 'alpha dog' and he's going to listen." Well, that's all well and good that maybe our son listens to him... but if he ignores me, teachers, doctors, school personnel, daycare... if he's regularly running away from his teachers... I just keep running into brick wall. On one hand, part of me is all for taking him to a hospital to hopefully figure out just what his deal is. I've had that feeling before of just wanting to darn near call CPS and flat out ask them to just take him away. But then my husband starts making his points as to why he's against it, and it makes sense, too. Apparently, my husband (as a child- according to him, because we can no longer ask his parents) acted <em>just like</em> our son. (It's the 'Mother's Curse', isn't it? having children that act <em>just like</em> you did.) Obviously everything I've done thus far isn't working, and I'm frustrated and just plain upset over it all. I've been trying really hard to keep myself from slipping into my own past destructive habits just to deal with my son. I love my son, and would never really want to give him up or anything, but I have to threaten to get him to do anything that does against his wishes. Even simple things, like making sure his bottom is fully wiped after going to the bathroom is a battle. I'm tired of being at war.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LoonyAlana, post: 617040, member: 17555"] Thanks for more info- I don't know why, but now that he's school aged, I just don't think of him as 'early childhood' anymore. Probably just my weird thinking. We considered bipolar as a possibility early on... like as early as 2 and 3 we were worried he had Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) or bipolar... something. He's just always been this stubborn child that is VERY difficult and set in his ways. He seems to have traits that point to Asperger's, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), ODD, and we don't even try to deny he has severe ADHD. He seriously is like the 'poster boy' for severe ADHD. Our Pastor (he's also my boss) thought that he had autism, and even his pediatrician thought that was a possibility (that is what lead to the referral to a neurologist and the ADHD diagnosis)... the play therapist, neurologist, and now psychologist have all ruled out that possibility, because he is too social. But I'm really concerned about his lack of concern and empathy. He really doesn't care at all about punishments. He spanks himself and says he likes it. If we threaten to throw away a favored toy- he says, "Go ahead. Do it." It's like he's daring us to punish him, and could care less what the rules and punishments for not following said rules are. I even had a long discussion with our daycare provider (thank goodness they've been willing to work with us and not kick him out because there is not another program that would take him). He feels he 'owns' his friends (or rather, the kids he likes) - for example he asked the Daycare teacher, "Where is MY Mario?" She informed him that Mario is his own person, and does not belong to anyone but his family, but he still insisted, "No, he's MY Mario." Then (during the same afternoon) he attempted to play (really, boss around the other kid) and Mario flat out told him, "leave me alone and stop picking on me." So, he wants to make other kids do what HE wants, when he wants, in the way that he wants or else he throws a fit. Another little girl (that has been 'friends' with him for years now) told him, "I'm not playing with you because you hit the teachers and your friends." My son promptly replied, "I don't like you!" Her response was, "You don't have to like me." (pretty smart for a 5 year old on her part.) I guess, I'm not thinking it's bipolar at this point because he is has NO remorse. NO guilt. No care of rules, of breaking them, of punishments. It seems like even the worst ADHD kid out there would at least feel guilty about doing something wrong, and he knows when he's doing something wrong - he just flat out tells daycare and me and teachers, "I don't care." when we try and lay out rules. My husband was saying just last night, "Well I don't put up with that, I am 'alpha dog' and he's going to listen." Well, that's all well and good that maybe our son listens to him... but if he ignores me, teachers, doctors, school personnel, daycare... if he's regularly running away from his teachers... I just keep running into brick wall. On one hand, part of me is all for taking him to a hospital to hopefully figure out just what his deal is. I've had that feeling before of just wanting to darn near call CPS and flat out ask them to just take him away. But then my husband starts making his points as to why he's against it, and it makes sense, too. Apparently, my husband (as a child- according to him, because we can no longer ask his parents) acted [I]just like[/I] our son. (It's the 'Mother's Curse', isn't it? having children that act [I]just like[/I] you did.) Obviously everything I've done thus far isn't working, and I'm frustrated and just plain upset over it all. I've been trying really hard to keep myself from slipping into my own past destructive habits just to deal with my son. I love my son, and would never really want to give him up or anything, but I have to threaten to get him to do anything that does against his wishes. Even simple things, like making sure his bottom is fully wiped after going to the bathroom is a battle. I'm tired of being at war. [/QUOTE]
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