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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 679479" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>I do not understand this fully, Cedar. If you would give me an example it would help me, I think.</p><p>Yes. This is a beautiful concept. Coming to his/her feet. The only thing that matters. That is the first choice and most important choice part.</p><p>I love this.</p><p>Yes. I respect myself that I got to my feet and I crossed the threshold door, and the choices I made have lasted a lifetime.</p><p></p><p>And here I am these past 3 plus years in my 60's, close to the end of my life who knows, revisiting that dojong door, questioning whether I did really get up or not, or did choose the right path, or did live intensely with everything put at stake.</p><p></p><p>Because the emotions and grief that have come up in these past 3 years plus have put stuff on the table, that makes me feel as if my whole real self has been buried, and only regurgitated like vomit, in my grief and sense of having been destroyed, the face of me.</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Nothing to protect. And with all of it on the table, no judgment, no fear. No grief. Just joy. Out of the closet and into the light.</p><p></p><p>I am reading <u>The Artist's Way</u> on Kindle. She equates creativity with light and power. Illumination of where G-d is, which brings too, the self, and in doing so, feeling and propelled by the power of G-d, whether nature, life force, G-d, whatever one calls it.</p><p></p><p>We are revealing here the blocks to both our knowing and our power.</p><p></p><p>This is not about validating each other. It is not in its essence about supporting each other. It is about knowing ourselves. So that we can manifest power, not for a career, not for domination, not for competition, not for resistance, but power to be who we can be, as manifestations of G-d and nature, our own.</p><p>This is what is at stake here. Belly up? Or not.</p><p>I cannot find the post to which you refer here, Cedar. How far up is it? I want to look at it in relation to your comment.</p><p>Which is exactly the kernel of it. And we learn at their hands that child sacrifice is the way to respond. Even when we are in our sixties.</p><p>Good for them. I wish I had had the courage and sense of safety to do the same. I had the capacity but it was turned against myself. How I wish I could have been a little bit mean and a little bit controlling. And how I wish that I had appraised my power sufficient to, and my parents amenable to my manipulation in my world.</p><p></p><p>Picking apart words and ideas is called analysis. It is one of my favorite things to do and I do it very well. I have to brag here a little bit. To enter graduate school you had to take a test, called the Graduate Record Examination or GRE. I scored in the 99th percentile in this category of thinking. And 99th in Verbal ability, competing against others, all college graduates or nearly so. I love my mind and I have worked hard cultivating it at certain points in my life.</p><p></p><p>Critical thinking is thinking that takes things apart and uses those bits of thinking, those ideas to build new ways of thinking. We use critical thinking here to change ourselves. Here on FOO we reconstrue how we see ourselves and our lives, so as to live more fully in the time we have left.</p><p></p><p>We each of us who have participated in FOO before you came New Leaf have entirely different backgrounds and values and ways of living. The one thing that united us was the desire to understand who we have been. That requires analysis. There is not another way to do it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If that is the case, then I do not think you want to post on FOO. Because the biggest potential for growth is error. Because that is where we learn. By missing the mark. Our certainty about things is our enemy. It is in risking to be wrong, where we can grow.I agree with you. One hundred percent. I did not mean to infer that I think babies are blank slates, tabula rasa.</p><p></p><p>Of course there are temperamental and genetic differences. I am speaking here about how we respond and react to those proclivities. Those differ according to family, culture and place. Those reactions and responses are value-laden and they are what teach a baby how to act and how to think of herself. It is those responses and reactions that can irrevocably harm a child. It is that harm that was done we are trying to recognize so that we can repair ourselves.</p><p></p><p>By referring to babies as neutral, I meant that the baby does not think in terms of good or bad, she is taught. She is taught to see specific behaviors and attitudes and responses as wrong or right. Initially, she does not know or care that any one thing she does is right or wrong. Think about the gears in a car.</p><p></p><p>Neutral. In neutral the car will not travel, but from neutral lies the capacity to go however fast or direction one wants. That is not to say that a BMW and Porsche and Ford Econoline Van, all have the same potential and attributes. But it is to say that in neutral they all have their G-d given potential.</p><p></p><p>New Leaf, I took seriously your words and responded to them in a serious way. You are always free to block me, if you choose. I will understand. I will try as much as I can to ignore your posting, if that is what you wish. But when I do read something with which I differ, I will write my own opinion.</p><p></p><p>I would hope that you do not want me to muzzle myself. I cannot do that.</p><p></p><p>If you block me, I will still be able to post on FOO, you would just not see me. I would prefer to be blocked than to censor myself.</p><p></p><p>COPA</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 679479, member: 18958"] I do not understand this fully, Cedar. If you would give me an example it would help me, I think. Yes. This is a beautiful concept. Coming to his/her feet. The only thing that matters. That is the first choice and most important choice part. I love this. Yes. I respect myself that I got to my feet and I crossed the threshold door, and the choices I made have lasted a lifetime. And here I am these past 3 plus years in my 60's, close to the end of my life who knows, revisiting that dojong door, questioning whether I did really get up or not, or did choose the right path, or did live intensely with everything put at stake. Because the emotions and grief that have come up in these past 3 years plus have put stuff on the table, that makes me feel as if my whole real self has been buried, and only regurgitated like vomit, in my grief and sense of having been destroyed, the face of me. Yes. Nothing to protect. And with all of it on the table, no judgment, no fear. No grief. Just joy. Out of the closet and into the light. I am reading [U]The Artist's Way[/U] on Kindle. She equates creativity with light and power. Illumination of where G-d is, which brings too, the self, and in doing so, feeling and propelled by the power of G-d, whether nature, life force, G-d, whatever one calls it. We are revealing here the blocks to both our knowing and our power. This is not about validating each other. It is not in its essence about supporting each other. It is about knowing ourselves. So that we can manifest power, not for a career, not for domination, not for competition, not for resistance, but power to be who we can be, as manifestations of G-d and nature, our own. This is what is at stake here. Belly up? Or not. I cannot find the post to which you refer here, Cedar. How far up is it? I want to look at it in relation to your comment. Which is exactly the kernel of it. And we learn at their hands that child sacrifice is the way to respond. Even when we are in our sixties. Good for them. I wish I had had the courage and sense of safety to do the same. I had the capacity but it was turned against myself. How I wish I could have been a little bit mean and a little bit controlling. And how I wish that I had appraised my power sufficient to, and my parents amenable to my manipulation in my world. Picking apart words and ideas is called analysis. It is one of my favorite things to do and I do it very well. I have to brag here a little bit. To enter graduate school you had to take a test, called the Graduate Record Examination or GRE. I scored in the 99th percentile in this category of thinking. And 99th in Verbal ability, competing against others, all college graduates or nearly so. I love my mind and I have worked hard cultivating it at certain points in my life. Critical thinking is thinking that takes things apart and uses those bits of thinking, those ideas to build new ways of thinking. We use critical thinking here to change ourselves. Here on FOO we reconstrue how we see ourselves and our lives, so as to live more fully in the time we have left. We each of us who have participated in FOO before you came New Leaf have entirely different backgrounds and values and ways of living. The one thing that united us was the desire to understand who we have been. That requires analysis. There is not another way to do it. If that is the case, then I do not think you want to post on FOO. Because the biggest potential for growth is error. Because that is where we learn. By missing the mark. Our certainty about things is our enemy. It is in risking to be wrong, where we can grow.I agree with you. One hundred percent. I did not mean to infer that I think babies are blank slates, tabula rasa. Of course there are temperamental and genetic differences. I am speaking here about how we respond and react to those proclivities. Those differ according to family, culture and place. Those reactions and responses are value-laden and they are what teach a baby how to act and how to think of herself. It is those responses and reactions that can irrevocably harm a child. It is that harm that was done we are trying to recognize so that we can repair ourselves. By referring to babies as neutral, I meant that the baby does not think in terms of good or bad, she is taught. She is taught to see specific behaviors and attitudes and responses as wrong or right. Initially, she does not know or care that any one thing she does is right or wrong. Think about the gears in a car. Neutral. In neutral the car will not travel, but from neutral lies the capacity to go however fast or direction one wants. That is not to say that a BMW and Porsche and Ford Econoline Van, all have the same potential and attributes. But it is to say that in neutral they all have their G-d given potential. New Leaf, I took seriously your words and responded to them in a serious way. You are always free to block me, if you choose. I will understand. I will try as much as I can to ignore your posting, if that is what you wish. But when I do read something with which I differ, I will write my own opinion. I would hope that you do not want me to muzzle myself. I cannot do that. If you block me, I will still be able to post on FOO, you would just not see me. I would prefer to be blocked than to censor myself. COPA [/QUOTE]
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