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Bakersfield nurse refuses CPR, elderly patient dies
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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 583116" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>I have no clue the laws in CA. To me that is a state with some pretty "out there" laws to put it mildly. </p><p></p><p>Unless media hype plays a role, I don't know that the family would win a suit against the facility. You can bet your bottom dollar the resident was well informed of policy and signed contracts stating as such. And the facility DID call 911 to assist the resident. So......they're rear is probably covered ten ways from sunday. </p><p></p><p>I do worry about the nurse, though. That had to be the hardest thing in the world.......unless there was a DNR in place (even then sometimes it is difficult). From the recording I heard it sounded as if her boss was either right there or nearby as she was trying to get the operator to talk to him. (most likely to talk some sense into him) </p><p></p><p>What irked me was 911 operator started making judgments based on little or no facts, unprofessional. (although we only heard part of the call so can only judge so much) She was allowing herself to become emotional......ect which is not allowed. </p><p></p><p>mother in law's aunt lived in such a facility with the same policy. She accepted the policy, it was the main reason she chose the facility. She lived in a little condo like apartment and staff (generally a nurse) came to check her and give her medications or make sure she took them. That is ALL they were allowed to do. The reason was liability. These are supposed to be elderly would can still live independently and care for themselves. When mother in law's aunt had her stroke, all staff could do is call an ambulance and transport to the hospital which was half a block away. They were to "keep her safe" until the ambulance arrived but no CPR ect. (the aunt had a DNR anyway so......moot point in her case) </p><p></p><p>We don't have background on this. Could be resident was positioned in such a way as to aid her breathing as much as possible without doing CPR. (most likely was) Since this was independent living there would be no resuscitation equipment in the apartment/condo......so most likely nurse didn't have so much as a plastic airway to work with. </p><p></p><p>I would've at least had to try, unless a DNR order was there. But then I can't stand to see my patients even be uncomfortable. I would not want to be that nurse for a million dollars. I feel for her, she was placed in a no win situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 583116, member: 84"] I have no clue the laws in CA. To me that is a state with some pretty "out there" laws to put it mildly. Unless media hype plays a role, I don't know that the family would win a suit against the facility. You can bet your bottom dollar the resident was well informed of policy and signed contracts stating as such. And the facility DID call 911 to assist the resident. So......they're rear is probably covered ten ways from sunday. I do worry about the nurse, though. That had to be the hardest thing in the world.......unless there was a DNR in place (even then sometimes it is difficult). From the recording I heard it sounded as if her boss was either right there or nearby as she was trying to get the operator to talk to him. (most likely to talk some sense into him) What irked me was 911 operator started making judgments based on little or no facts, unprofessional. (although we only heard part of the call so can only judge so much) She was allowing herself to become emotional......ect which is not allowed. mother in law's aunt lived in such a facility with the same policy. She accepted the policy, it was the main reason she chose the facility. She lived in a little condo like apartment and staff (generally a nurse) came to check her and give her medications or make sure she took them. That is ALL they were allowed to do. The reason was liability. These are supposed to be elderly would can still live independently and care for themselves. When mother in law's aunt had her stroke, all staff could do is call an ambulance and transport to the hospital which was half a block away. They were to "keep her safe" until the ambulance arrived but no CPR ect. (the aunt had a DNR anyway so......moot point in her case) We don't have background on this. Could be resident was positioned in such a way as to aid her breathing as much as possible without doing CPR. (most likely was) Since this was independent living there would be no resuscitation equipment in the apartment/condo......so most likely nurse didn't have so much as a plastic airway to work with. I would've at least had to try, unless a DNR order was there. But then I can't stand to see my patients even be uncomfortable. I would not want to be that nurse for a million dollars. I feel for her, she was placed in a no win situation. [/QUOTE]
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