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<blockquote data-quote="keista" data-source="post: 461755" data-attributes="member: 11965"><p>When I see an ADHD/ODD diagnosis I usually believe it is something else simply because I see symptoms/behaviors being described that do not fit into wither diagnosis. I do believe that at least superficially that ADHD does exist as an observable behavior pattern. It may also truly exist as a co-morbid disorder. ODD certainly can appear as a valid diagnosis as well. For example. An ADHD child is told to stay seated. He does not. THAT appears to be defiance. However, if the child truly has ADHD, he can NOT stay seated. So, is it truly defiance? The problem with that ODD is that it can used to describe behaviors of virtually any other disorder "our" kids suffer from. Even the DSM says that other stuff MUST be ruled out first and/or treated, but this causes a catch 22, because it's really hard to find valid dxes in the DSM for kids who display aggression, suicidal thoughts and other negative behavior without stretching the diagnostic criteria, so doctors settle on the things they CAN identify, but there are still "leftover" symptoms that don't fit into any given diagnosis. in my opinion they created ODD to help fill that gap of missing dxes. </p><p></p><p>The latest one being discussed is TDD (Temper Dysregulation Disorder) Which in my opinion better describes these explosive kids and allows for extreme moodiness, but it still doesn't cover "our" kids that are relatively happy in between. <a href="http://dyslexiauntied.blogspot.com/2010/03/temper-dysregulation-syndrome-tdd.html" target="_blank">http://dyslexiauntied.blogspot.com/2010/03/temper-dysregulation-syndrome-tdd.html</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is in conversation and discussion. This could be situations where ADHD has been misdiagnosed. Aggression is not a listed symptom of ADHD <a href="http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adhd-symptoms?page=2" target="_blank">http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adhd-symptoms?page=2</a></p><p></p><p>The problem with discussing something like bipolar, especially in kids, is that it is also a spectrum disorder. Cyclothemia is the "mildest" form, and can more easily be identified in children, but gets all but forgotten. <a href="http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bipolar-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20027544" target="_blank">http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bipolar-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20027544</a></p><p></p><p>Anyway, my opinion of ADHD/ODD hasn't changed. I have no doubt in my mind, that such a combined diagnosis can and does exist, but I have never seen it in real life, and I haven't seen it on this forum. There always seem to be "leftover" symptoms that aren't clearly defined by either diagnosis.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="keista, post: 461755, member: 11965"] When I see an ADHD/ODD diagnosis I usually believe it is something else simply because I see symptoms/behaviors being described that do not fit into wither diagnosis. I do believe that at least superficially that ADHD does exist as an observable behavior pattern. It may also truly exist as a co-morbid disorder. ODD certainly can appear as a valid diagnosis as well. For example. An ADHD child is told to stay seated. He does not. THAT appears to be defiance. However, if the child truly has ADHD, he can NOT stay seated. So, is it truly defiance? The problem with that ODD is that it can used to describe behaviors of virtually any other disorder "our" kids suffer from. Even the DSM says that other stuff MUST be ruled out first and/or treated, but this causes a catch 22, because it's really hard to find valid dxes in the DSM for kids who display aggression, suicidal thoughts and other negative behavior without stretching the diagnostic criteria, so doctors settle on the things they CAN identify, but there are still "leftover" symptoms that don't fit into any given diagnosis. in my opinion they created ODD to help fill that gap of missing dxes. The latest one being discussed is TDD (Temper Dysregulation Disorder) Which in my opinion better describes these explosive kids and allows for extreme moodiness, but it still doesn't cover "our" kids that are relatively happy in between. [url]http://dyslexiauntied.blogspot.com/2010/03/temper-dysregulation-syndrome-tdd.html[/url] This is in conversation and discussion. This could be situations where ADHD has been misdiagnosed. Aggression is not a listed symptom of ADHD [url]http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/guide/adhd-symptoms?page=2[/url] The problem with discussing something like bipolar, especially in kids, is that it is also a spectrum disorder. Cyclothemia is the "mildest" form, and can more easily be identified in children, but gets all but forgotten. [url]http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bipolar-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20027544[/url] Anyway, my opinion of ADHD/ODD hasn't changed. I have no doubt in my mind, that such a combined diagnosis can and does exist, but I have never seen it in real life, and I haven't seen it on this forum. There always seem to be "leftover" symptoms that aren't clearly defined by either diagnosis. [/QUOTE]
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