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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 692748" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>Oh dear. I am a Brexit fanatic, but I want everybody to feel comfortable even knowing that is not possible. Before the thread closes down I will opine.There are varied views in the states about Brexit and most of us are very interested. </p><p></p><p>I disagree with Going:Brexit was supported by both left, center and conservative votes. Left-wing figures supported brexit for among other reasons because of the belief that the nation-state has been the entity that has so far given the most protection to the worker, than any other form of government.</p><p></p><p>From that point of view, there are many on the left who believe that globalization and the blurring of national borders and identities has served most the movement of capital to serve the interests of corporations and the financial class, at the cost of protections for individuals and families. There are, after all, more important things than money. Identity is not all bad. It is not only regressive to feel ethnic identity.</p><p>Well, I come from these people too, Going. While I feel superior to know one I am proud of my people. I believe that the culturally valued impulse to serve others, to share, to think and create and to contribute, has served us as a people for centuries. I will die with this belief which has guided my life. Is this ethnic pride? Then I am guilty.</p><p>I did not know this. I read that Cameron's decision to step down was a decision that seemed to suggest that the ruling classes were accepting the people's will. </p><p>Do we not decide each of us what offends us, and is it not our right to do so? I have not been offended by this thread (except maybe by the implied assumption that everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist fundamentalist). </p><p></p><p>Over the course of my lifetime life in California has changed as to be almost unrecognizable. The Bay Area has been ground zero for sweeping cultural changes like post-war expansion, beatniks, hippies, (what was it called, the acquisitive me types, oh yeah, yuppies), Silicon Valley and now the newest influx of computer and biotech and global financial types that have driven the most modest Bay Area house to a million dollars. (My parents bought theirs for 9k.) </p><p></p><p>To say nothing about the global migration to California which has changed the politics exponentially turning it into a blue not red state, and into a melting pot like no other place. All of that is in my own lifespan.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, I have changed right along with the State. </p><p></p><p>But that does not mean that it is wrong to react with discomfort or sadness or fear, with what one has already lost. To respond by doing what one can to change course, to stop the inevitable loss of more, how is that wrong?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 692748, member: 18958"] Oh dear. I am a Brexit fanatic, but I want everybody to feel comfortable even knowing that is not possible. Before the thread closes down I will opine.There are varied views in the states about Brexit and most of us are very interested. I disagree with Going:Brexit was supported by both left, center and conservative votes. Left-wing figures supported brexit for among other reasons because of the belief that the nation-state has been the entity that has so far given the most protection to the worker, than any other form of government. From that point of view, there are many on the left who believe that globalization and the blurring of national borders and identities has served most the movement of capital to serve the interests of corporations and the financial class, at the cost of protections for individuals and families. There are, after all, more important things than money. Identity is not all bad. It is not only regressive to feel ethnic identity. Well, I come from these people too, Going. While I feel superior to know one I am proud of my people. I believe that the culturally valued impulse to serve others, to share, to think and create and to contribute, has served us as a people for centuries. I will die with this belief which has guided my life. Is this ethnic pride? Then I am guilty. I did not know this. I read that Cameron's decision to step down was a decision that seemed to suggest that the ruling classes were accepting the people's will. Do we not decide each of us what offends us, and is it not our right to do so? I have not been offended by this thread (except maybe by the implied assumption that everybody that voted for Brexit is a racist fundamentalist). Over the course of my lifetime life in California has changed as to be almost unrecognizable. The Bay Area has been ground zero for sweeping cultural changes like post-war expansion, beatniks, hippies, (what was it called, the acquisitive me types, oh yeah, yuppies), Silicon Valley and now the newest influx of computer and biotech and global financial types that have driven the most modest Bay Area house to a million dollars. (My parents bought theirs for 9k.) To say nothing about the global migration to California which has changed the politics exponentially turning it into a blue not red state, and into a melting pot like no other place. All of that is in my own lifespan. The thing is, I have changed right along with the State. But that does not mean that it is wrong to react with discomfort or sadness or fear, with what one has already lost. To respond by doing what one can to change course, to stop the inevitable loss of more, how is that wrong? [/QUOTE]
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