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<blockquote data-quote="Lil" data-source="post: 656503" data-attributes="member: 17309"><p>I must admit, I don't "get" transsexuals. I know it sounds so prejudiced of me (and that really bothers me because I'm truly not...I don't have anything against anyone who is a decent person), but I can't get my brain around thinking you are, or should be, the opposite of the sex you were born with. (There are the obvious exceptions of course, those born with genetic abnormalities, hermaphrodites that were raised male or female by their parents and maybe their parents chose wrong, etc.) But I'm a woman. I was born a woman. I know I'm a woman. I can't get my brain around the idea of looking in a mirror and expecting to see a masculine image but seeing a feminine image (to paraphrase Bruce Jenner). I've known very masculine females. I've known very feminine men. But, as best I could tell, they just lived like they lived. The women didn't want to have penises and the men didn't want to grow breasts...they just were what they were. There's just something about changing your body to something it wasn't genetically meant to be that seems so discordant, and it seems to me that it is somehow so wrong (not wrong in the bad/evil/sinful sense, but wrong as in sad and unfortunate) to place so much emphasis on the physical form.</p><p> </p><p>I don't know that I feel it is a mental disorder...if it's something that should be "cured", but I do understand why people feel it is. I mean, if there were anything else about a person that made them feel that way...like the image they see isn't what they were meant to be...it would be considered a mental problem. If I felt that I should look in the mirror and see a slim blond, when I'm a fat brunette, for example.</p><p> </p><p>Of course, no one would care if I transformed myself into a slim blond. Jabber might even like it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p><p> </p><p>I get homosexuality. I see it as a fact of genetics, not a choice. There are too many examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, it's existed for as long as there have been people. There's no doubt in my mind it is biological. But that's very different than being transsexual. Bruce Jenner is not gay, to the best of my knowledge. I actually have less problems getting my head around gay people wanting to have sex changes. That makes more sense to me.</p><p> </p><p>And in the end, I suppose it doesn't matter. I don't care what people do so long as they are decent, law-abiding, people and they aren't hurting anyone else. They shouldn't be given special treatment or be treated worse than any "typical" person. Their lives are their own business.</p><p> </p><p>I just don't get it.</p><p> </p><p>But what I get even less is - at this very moment, I know one grown man and two young girls (middle-school - one of which is the daughter of the man) who have declared themselves transsexual. I've personally met three other men who either present as women or who have actually undergone the surgery. So I have personally met or know 6 people who claim to be transsexual. (I say claim, because the two girls, who now say they are boys, are in a relationship with each other and I find it kind of hard to say this isn't some odd phase they are going thru, seeing how one's father left his marriage to her mom to become a woman shortly before the girl decided she was a boy and her girlfriend followed suit shortly thereafter).</p><p> </p><p>But the real point is - I don't know that many people! I live in a town of about 35,000. How is it even possible that being transgender is that prevalent?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lil, post: 656503, member: 17309"] I must admit, I don't "get" transsexuals. I know it sounds so prejudiced of me (and that really bothers me because I'm truly not...I don't have anything against anyone who is a decent person), but I can't get my brain around thinking you are, or should be, the opposite of the sex you were born with. (There are the obvious exceptions of course, those born with genetic abnormalities, hermaphrodites that were raised male or female by their parents and maybe their parents chose wrong, etc.) But I'm a woman. I was born a woman. I know I'm a woman. I can't get my brain around the idea of looking in a mirror and expecting to see a masculine image but seeing a feminine image (to paraphrase Bruce Jenner). I've known very masculine females. I've known very feminine men. But, as best I could tell, they just lived like they lived. The women didn't want to have penises and the men didn't want to grow breasts...they just were what they were. There's just something about changing your body to something it wasn't genetically meant to be that seems so discordant, and it seems to me that it is somehow so wrong (not wrong in the bad/evil/sinful sense, but wrong as in sad and unfortunate) to place so much emphasis on the physical form. I don't know that I feel it is a mental disorder...if it's something that should be "cured", but I do understand why people feel it is. I mean, if there were anything else about a person that made them feel that way...like the image they see isn't what they were meant to be...it would be considered a mental problem. If I felt that I should look in the mirror and see a slim blond, when I'm a fat brunette, for example. Of course, no one would care if I transformed myself into a slim blond. Jabber might even like it. :p I get homosexuality. I see it as a fact of genetics, not a choice. There are too many examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, it's existed for as long as there have been people. There's no doubt in my mind it is biological. But that's very different than being transsexual. Bruce Jenner is not gay, to the best of my knowledge. I actually have less problems getting my head around gay people wanting to have sex changes. That makes more sense to me. And in the end, I suppose it doesn't matter. I don't care what people do so long as they are decent, law-abiding, people and they aren't hurting anyone else. They shouldn't be given special treatment or be treated worse than any "typical" person. Their lives are their own business. I just don't get it. But what I get even less is - at this very moment, I know one grown man and two young girls (middle-school - one of which is the daughter of the man) who have declared themselves transsexual. I've personally met three other men who either present as women or who have actually undergone the surgery. So I have personally met or know 6 people who claim to be transsexual. (I say claim, because the two girls, who now say they are boys, are in a relationship with each other and I find it kind of hard to say this isn't some odd phase they are going thru, seeing how one's father left his marriage to her mom to become a woman shortly before the girl decided she was a boy and her girlfriend followed suit shortly thereafter). But the real point is - I don't know that many people! I live in a town of about 35,000. How is it even possible that being transgender is that prevalent? [/QUOTE]
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