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Can you have only SOME symptoms of execute function problems in ADD?
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<blockquote data-quote="InsaneCdn" data-source="post: 436723" data-attributes="member: 11791"><p>First - yes, you can have all sorts of combinations and permutations! And then you add in the other co-existing stuff, and... its a "puppy-dog's breakfast".</p><p></p><p>"She has a good memory for things she has done physically, but a poor one for remembering facts and math formulas. Trying hard doesn't help her." This sounds like working memory issues to me... (me, K1, etc. etc............ ) Just wondering... did it get a lot worse when she hit highter grades?</p><p></p><p>Here's one possible explanation...</p><p>1) She has a deficit in the "planning/organization" executive function.</p><p>2) She is a hands-on learner - can learn a process but not facts and formulas and detailed minutinae.</p><p>3) She has a working memory problem... she can't remember where she put something - as soon as its out of sight, it might as well be on Pluto... and she can't remember what the organization structure is, so doesn't have anything to mentally "hang on to"</p><p>4) She's getting into higher grades, where there is SO much more to keep track of and remember, that her working memory is overloaded long before she gets around to dealing with "stupid stuff" like keeping a room neat...If that sounds at all familiar...</p><p></p><p>- SIMPLIFY her room. These kids hate it, but you have to go there. Summer is a good time to do it - there's too much on their minds the rest of the year. Think 3-year-old - not in colors and decorating schemes, but in terms of things that a 3-year-old can "organize". Get rid of dressers, desks and other drawers... use BINS, labelled with pictures, on open shelves... "socks", "t-shirts", "jeans", etc. A TABLE instead of a desk, so nothing "gets lost inside". Limit what has to be "hung up" - obviously, dressy stuff and anything that wrinkles. Otherwise, FOLD. Room still looks better if jeans are stuffed in the appropriate box than tossed just anywhere. Use cork boards to post up visual/visible lists - the "stupid stuff"... Clean room = (check-list..., or basic rules - in our house a room is "neat" if it is ready for the housekeeper to vacuum, dust, and change the sheets, and all the dirty laundry is in the laundry bin)</p><p></p><p>- SIMPLIFY her life. Find out what kinds of details at school are driving her nuts. Then find ways to support these VISUALLY. Color-code her schedule, with matching binders. Anything that takes organization out of "working memory". Then start researching "working memory" and see what else can be applied at school - because school will be using up most of her resources.</p><p></p><p>- BUY extras. Our kids couldn't figure out where the plates etc. went in the cupboard, because the stack would all be in the dishwasher... so we got more plates, bowls, etc. so that there is always at least a couple left in the cupboard. They won't take time to look at the "map" when unloading, but they DO make use of the "match the item" game... and I can still find everything. Ditto for socks, underwear, pens. paper supplies, etc.</p><p></p><p>- Anything that is prone to getting "lost", needs a home that is NOT in her room. One of our kids has to leave backpack in the dining room... so it doesn't get burried under stuff, or kicked over and stuff spills out, or stuff added to it that doesn't belong there... In the dining room, the rest of us can look out for the pack! Smaller stuff - cell phone, usb keyfob, etc. needs a TIEDOWN - use carbiner clips or equiv and elastic thread - they can take it out of the pack, but if the elastic is long enough, they won't need to do that very often... cell carbiner can be clipped to belt or whatever, if pack not available (or not cool).</p><p></p><p>Just some ideas... there's lots out there on the net on ADD and organization... I'd post you some links, but I can't remember where I filed them!</p><p></p><p>Good luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="InsaneCdn, post: 436723, member: 11791"] First - yes, you can have all sorts of combinations and permutations! And then you add in the other co-existing stuff, and... its a "puppy-dog's breakfast". "She has a good memory for things she has done physically, but a poor one for remembering facts and math formulas. Trying hard doesn't help her." This sounds like working memory issues to me... (me, K1, etc. etc............ ) Just wondering... did it get a lot worse when she hit highter grades? Here's one possible explanation... 1) She has a deficit in the "planning/organization" executive function. 2) She is a hands-on learner - can learn a process but not facts and formulas and detailed minutinae. 3) She has a working memory problem... she can't remember where she put something - as soon as its out of sight, it might as well be on Pluto... and she can't remember what the organization structure is, so doesn't have anything to mentally "hang on to" 4) She's getting into higher grades, where there is SO much more to keep track of and remember, that her working memory is overloaded long before she gets around to dealing with "stupid stuff" like keeping a room neat...If that sounds at all familiar... - SIMPLIFY her room. These kids hate it, but you have to go there. Summer is a good time to do it - there's too much on their minds the rest of the year. Think 3-year-old - not in colors and decorating schemes, but in terms of things that a 3-year-old can "organize". Get rid of dressers, desks and other drawers... use BINS, labelled with pictures, on open shelves... "socks", "t-shirts", "jeans", etc. A TABLE instead of a desk, so nothing "gets lost inside". Limit what has to be "hung up" - obviously, dressy stuff and anything that wrinkles. Otherwise, FOLD. Room still looks better if jeans are stuffed in the appropriate box than tossed just anywhere. Use cork boards to post up visual/visible lists - the "stupid stuff"... Clean room = (check-list..., or basic rules - in our house a room is "neat" if it is ready for the housekeeper to vacuum, dust, and change the sheets, and all the dirty laundry is in the laundry bin) - SIMPLIFY her life. Find out what kinds of details at school are driving her nuts. Then find ways to support these VISUALLY. Color-code her schedule, with matching binders. Anything that takes organization out of "working memory". Then start researching "working memory" and see what else can be applied at school - because school will be using up most of her resources. - BUY extras. Our kids couldn't figure out where the plates etc. went in the cupboard, because the stack would all be in the dishwasher... so we got more plates, bowls, etc. so that there is always at least a couple left in the cupboard. They won't take time to look at the "map" when unloading, but they DO make use of the "match the item" game... and I can still find everything. Ditto for socks, underwear, pens. paper supplies, etc. - Anything that is prone to getting "lost", needs a home that is NOT in her room. One of our kids has to leave backpack in the dining room... so it doesn't get burried under stuff, or kicked over and stuff spills out, or stuff added to it that doesn't belong there... In the dining room, the rest of us can look out for the pack! Smaller stuff - cell phone, usb keyfob, etc. needs a TIEDOWN - use carbiner clips or equiv and elastic thread - they can take it out of the pack, but if the elastic is long enough, they won't need to do that very often... cell carbiner can be clipped to belt or whatever, if pack not available (or not cool). Just some ideas... there's lots out there on the net on ADD and organization... I'd post you some links, but I can't remember where I filed them! Good luck. [/QUOTE]
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