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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 224951" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>difficult child 3 slept in this morning until 10 am - unheard of, for him. He was only three hours late to bed (less, when you consider how often he's not in bed until 11 pm) but he slept in for a lot longer.</p><p></p><p>We had warned him we wouldn't have time for our thorough talk this morning because we wanted to go to church, but we promised we'd talk when we got back.</p><p></p><p>When we left he was playing games on the Wii. He didn't want to come with us and we didn't want to push it, not after last night. So we got back form church and I asked how he is. "What do you mean?" he asked, again a bit surly.</p><p></p><p>I explained I wanted to know how he felt, was he rested, was he feeling comfortable. And that it was time for our talk.</p><p>He was quiet for a minute and said, "I've decided to just let it go."</p><p>"Well, we haven't made tat choice, we feel we need to work out why things happened so we can prevent it happening again."</p><p></p><p>I talked to him, made sure that he realised I was NOT criticising him (so he didn't need to jump in and defend himself) I was merely describing events as I had seen them. I pointed out that if we had realised sooner that his deteriorating behaviour had been possibly linked to medications, we would have done things differently. But his manner had become increasingly surly, belligerent and out of character. I said that sometimes he does say the wrong thing but will respond to us correcting him; yesterday/last night our correcting him only got him angrier, until he exploded. Again, not like him.</p><p></p><p>So I said in summary, we're accepting that it's likely that he can't tolerate Strattera and I will wing the pediatrician in the morning to talk to him about what to do next.</p><p></p><p>In the meantime, we still have our daily assessment to do - 15 minutes of maths, 15 minutes (minimum) of gaming, to assess how well he can function with both. He did not sound happy. Then I said there were three other things we have to do today - have a swim at the beach, preferably now, then move Grandma's Christmas tree and get ready to decorate it; then take the camera out in the last hour of daylight and get some good photos of some local flowers, a very unusual tree at the school, and so on. These are all things he loves to do. He didn't sound enthusiastic. However, he has gone to the clothes line to fetch his swimsuit, I'm typing this while I wait for him to say he's ready.</p><p></p><p>Tonight we have our village carols night, difficult child 3 was supposed to be singing with us. I'm not sure whether to make him do this now. We'll have to decide later on, depending on how he's feeling.</p><p></p><p>He told us he had read this thread. I had left it up on the computer for husband to read before we left for church, while we were away difficult child 3 read it. He said, "I almost wish I hadn't, now." He didn't like what he read. However, I think it persuaded him to not keep insisting how hard done by he was. I think it finally gave him a bit of perspective, which is good.</p><p></p><p>What is really making me angry - according to the literature, only 1; of the trial had problems with aggression or suicidal ideation. So how come I keep hearing so many similar stories? I'm seriously thinking of writing to TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration - the Aussie FDA) about it, to complain about the high risk our kids are being put to, by what I believe are artificially low (fudged?) figures. I'm sure there must be enough data out there now to send a questionnaire to every prescribing pediatrician, to list the number of patients on Strattera now and in the past, and to list how many in that lot were taken off it because of problems.</p><p></p><p>I might even do my own survey (because it's easy for it to be confidential) and send the results straight to the AMA journals. CC to TGA, CC to Eli Lilly.</p><p></p><p>I hadn't realised that Strattera was an antidepressant. difficult child 3 has reacted badly before to antidepressants. I suspect he's like me - has problems with them. A pity, I think they would help if only he could tolerate them without going psychotic.</p><p></p><p>I have similar problems with them (it varies from going really weird, to being ridiculously sedated) so I can sympathise with the poor lad.</p><p></p><p>OK, must be off - there is a summer's day out there, clear blue sky and a gentle beach. Good therapy for difficult child 3 and for me.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 224951, member: 1991"] difficult child 3 slept in this morning until 10 am - unheard of, for him. He was only three hours late to bed (less, when you consider how often he's not in bed until 11 pm) but he slept in for a lot longer. We had warned him we wouldn't have time for our thorough talk this morning because we wanted to go to church, but we promised we'd talk when we got back. When we left he was playing games on the Wii. He didn't want to come with us and we didn't want to push it, not after last night. So we got back form church and I asked how he is. "What do you mean?" he asked, again a bit surly. I explained I wanted to know how he felt, was he rested, was he feeling comfortable. And that it was time for our talk. He was quiet for a minute and said, "I've decided to just let it go." "Well, we haven't made tat choice, we feel we need to work out why things happened so we can prevent it happening again." I talked to him, made sure that he realised I was NOT criticising him (so he didn't need to jump in and defend himself) I was merely describing events as I had seen them. I pointed out that if we had realised sooner that his deteriorating behaviour had been possibly linked to medications, we would have done things differently. But his manner had become increasingly surly, belligerent and out of character. I said that sometimes he does say the wrong thing but will respond to us correcting him; yesterday/last night our correcting him only got him angrier, until he exploded. Again, not like him. So I said in summary, we're accepting that it's likely that he can't tolerate Strattera and I will wing the pediatrician in the morning to talk to him about what to do next. In the meantime, we still have our daily assessment to do - 15 minutes of maths, 15 minutes (minimum) of gaming, to assess how well he can function with both. He did not sound happy. Then I said there were three other things we have to do today - have a swim at the beach, preferably now, then move Grandma's Christmas tree and get ready to decorate it; then take the camera out in the last hour of daylight and get some good photos of some local flowers, a very unusual tree at the school, and so on. These are all things he loves to do. He didn't sound enthusiastic. However, he has gone to the clothes line to fetch his swimsuit, I'm typing this while I wait for him to say he's ready. Tonight we have our village carols night, difficult child 3 was supposed to be singing with us. I'm not sure whether to make him do this now. We'll have to decide later on, depending on how he's feeling. He told us he had read this thread. I had left it up on the computer for husband to read before we left for church, while we were away difficult child 3 read it. He said, "I almost wish I hadn't, now." He didn't like what he read. However, I think it persuaded him to not keep insisting how hard done by he was. I think it finally gave him a bit of perspective, which is good. What is really making me angry - according to the literature, only 1; of the trial had problems with aggression or suicidal ideation. So how come I keep hearing so many similar stories? I'm seriously thinking of writing to TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration - the Aussie FDA) about it, to complain about the high risk our kids are being put to, by what I believe are artificially low (fudged?) figures. I'm sure there must be enough data out there now to send a questionnaire to every prescribing pediatrician, to list the number of patients on Strattera now and in the past, and to list how many in that lot were taken off it because of problems. I might even do my own survey (because it's easy for it to be confidential) and send the results straight to the AMA journals. CC to TGA, CC to Eli Lilly. I hadn't realised that Strattera was an antidepressant. difficult child 3 has reacted badly before to antidepressants. I suspect he's like me - has problems with them. A pity, I think they would help if only he could tolerate them without going psychotic. I have similar problems with them (it varies from going really weird, to being ridiculously sedated) so I can sympathise with the poor lad. OK, must be off - there is a summer's day out there, clear blue sky and a gentle beach. Good therapy for difficult child 3 and for me. Marg [/QUOTE]
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