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This is how I look at "giving up."


We don't have the power to give up or not give up on somebody other than ourselves. Only they can give up on themselves and right now it sounds like both adult kids are in bad places where they have given up and/or are not going to live conventional lives. Very scary about the gun and your son. Made e shiver to think about it, but I'm one of those who dislikes having guns in the house unless they are under lock and key.


Live your life and let them live their lives. You can't change them, only your reactions to them.


Welcome!!


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