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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 223453" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Well, I *have* bipolar and my son is an Aspie or Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD)-not otherwise specified (not sure which). I didn't have the incredible persistence my son has. I also didn't have obsessive, narrow interests. I actually have a lot of interests. It's more an Aspie trait to just have one or two focused interests, and they tend to be techie related (computers, videogames, certain television shows, fixing things). When I am hypermanic I am the friendliest person on the face of the earth and talk too much. My Aspie son never gets overly friendly. He does tend to talk too much when he gets on one of his obsessive interests, but he monologues more than talks back and forth. And while I was never at a loss for words, his answers are often "I don't know" or "I don't care" or "I don't want to talk about it now." I am NOT a literal thinker. I don't believe that is a bipolar trait at all. Also, although I went through a period of time where I didn't like to go to open spaces or crowded places, it was related to my phobia of passing out. My son didn't like to go because of overstimulation. </p><p>You really have to be careful. There are some overlapping symptoms, however they are very different disorders and the behaviors are triggered by very different things. If you try to treat Aspegers like bipolar the person will likely not improve, as the major problem with Aspies is not moodswings but cluelessness about social skills, life skills, and a different way of thinking. There are no delusions. There is no mania. There can be mild depression. The Aspies improve with time if they are given the proper school and community interventions. medications are very secondary to Aspergers. It is not a cure. Bipolar gets worse with time (trust me on this) especially if it isn't properly medicated. medications are MANDATORY for controlling bipolar, and mood stabilizers do the best job. One thing I have recently learned from my doctors is that people with mood disorders tend to have memory problems. This is not the case with Aspies. Once they learn something they are like an elephant. They NEVER EVER forget. </p><p>So I thought I'd discuss the differences rather than the same traits because there really are A LOT of differences. It is the fault of the doctors that they misdiagnose so often.</p><p>That's why I prefer NeuroPsychs. They do a better job discriminating between the two disorders--and other disorders as well. Other differences: Bipolar kids, in particular, tend to focus on blood, guts and gore and talk about possibly cutting people up, even though they don't mean it. This is RARE for an Aspie. Bipolar kids can be good liars. Nobody lies worse than an Aspie. Bipolar kids are at greater risk than Aspies to abuse drugs. Aspies like to follow rules and have structure and often demands it. Bipolars often are chaotic and can't order their lives at all and actually tend to thrive on excitement and chaos (I know I did. It's kind of a manicky thing). Aspies like sameness. They hate drama, noise, anger (even if they get so frustrated that THEY get angry--they really don't want to trigger a family war). Hypermanic bipolars get relief sometimes by causing drama. All the chaos makes you feel better. It's hard to explain...lol. Bipolars are more likely to cut.</p><p>Hope this helped. Of course, all kids are different, as are all adults. I am pointing out what I know of the differences between the two disorders, but I'm sure others will come along with their own points of view.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 223453, member: 1550"] Well, I *have* bipolar and my son is an Aspie or Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD)-not otherwise specified (not sure which). I didn't have the incredible persistence my son has. I also didn't have obsessive, narrow interests. I actually have a lot of interests. It's more an Aspie trait to just have one or two focused interests, and they tend to be techie related (computers, videogames, certain television shows, fixing things). When I am hypermanic I am the friendliest person on the face of the earth and talk too much. My Aspie son never gets overly friendly. He does tend to talk too much when he gets on one of his obsessive interests, but he monologues more than talks back and forth. And while I was never at a loss for words, his answers are often "I don't know" or "I don't care" or "I don't want to talk about it now." I am NOT a literal thinker. I don't believe that is a bipolar trait at all. Also, although I went through a period of time where I didn't like to go to open spaces or crowded places, it was related to my phobia of passing out. My son didn't like to go because of overstimulation. You really have to be careful. There are some overlapping symptoms, however they are very different disorders and the behaviors are triggered by very different things. If you try to treat Aspegers like bipolar the person will likely not improve, as the major problem with Aspies is not moodswings but cluelessness about social skills, life skills, and a different way of thinking. There are no delusions. There is no mania. There can be mild depression. The Aspies improve with time if they are given the proper school and community interventions. medications are very secondary to Aspergers. It is not a cure. Bipolar gets worse with time (trust me on this) especially if it isn't properly medicated. medications are MANDATORY for controlling bipolar, and mood stabilizers do the best job. One thing I have recently learned from my doctors is that people with mood disorders tend to have memory problems. This is not the case with Aspies. Once they learn something they are like an elephant. They NEVER EVER forget. So I thought I'd discuss the differences rather than the same traits because there really are A LOT of differences. It is the fault of the doctors that they misdiagnose so often. That's why I prefer NeuroPsychs. They do a better job discriminating between the two disorders--and other disorders as well. Other differences: Bipolar kids, in particular, tend to focus on blood, guts and gore and talk about possibly cutting people up, even though they don't mean it. This is RARE for an Aspie. Bipolar kids can be good liars. Nobody lies worse than an Aspie. Bipolar kids are at greater risk than Aspies to abuse drugs. Aspies like to follow rules and have structure and often demands it. Bipolars often are chaotic and can't order their lives at all and actually tend to thrive on excitement and chaos (I know I did. It's kind of a manicky thing). Aspies like sameness. They hate drama, noise, anger (even if they get so frustrated that THEY get angry--they really don't want to trigger a family war). Hypermanic bipolars get relief sometimes by causing drama. All the chaos makes you feel better. It's hard to explain...lol. Bipolars are more likely to cut. Hope this helped. Of course, all kids are different, as are all adults. I am pointing out what I know of the differences between the two disorders, but I'm sure others will come along with their own points of view. [/QUOTE]
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