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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 651630" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>People who live off the grid in the US (and there are many) are rarely college kids. Maybe they do exist, but never heard of any. Usually it's a family who is suspicious of the government and thinks taxes is theft and so they buy land and build a fully self-functioning farm with well so that they have no ties to society and don't have to pay government bills and quite possibly can get away without paying taxes. Often, they are people who are so paranoid that we are going to have the government knocking on our door any minute to take our guns (this is a huge issue in the U.S.--lots of people are crazed about this gun issue. It is in our Constitution as the Right to Bear Arms, but many people believe our more "liberal" presidents will order guns be confiscated and we will end up like Hitler's underlings). I find this absurd and wacky, but most of these people are NOT mentally ill. They sound it to people who don't live here, but they are simply folks who are ready to go to war with the U.S. Governement and don't believe the government has any right to know anything about them. As an American, although I don't walk THAT walk, I understand their viewpoint and even agree in some areas.</p><p></p><p>Now, the difference here, besides the issues, is that most of these folks live well. They are good with their hands. They know how to farm and prosper. They take care of one another. They often homeschool their children. They do not want to be found out. I have never met anybody who does this, but I did spend many, many years on a real time politics MIRC chat site and talked to many who were in fact living off the grid, for the most part, and finding ways to dodge the government and also many were certain the government was coming any minute to take their weapons.</p><p></p><p>Some owned an stock pile of war-like weapons. Scary, to me, sensible to many Americans. Often they also stockpile items they will need when the government holds people in detention camps, but they feel they will be spared. Sounds nuts if you don't live in the US. Sounds nuts to some of us who do. But this faction of people exist here and they are about as off the grid as the Amish. Except that they do manage to use electricity and hot water and other luxuries and they do watch television. Id on't know if they go through proper channels or find alternative ways to accomplish this.</p><p></p><p>America is very conservative right now and few progressive Americans are voiced these days therefore you see and hear few kids going off the grid because of racial or social injustice and even less care about the rest of the world. But I think we have always been insular. If our kids go wrong, it is usually a less complex reason. It is normally that they feel as if they dont' fit in and th at drugs is the answer to at least finding others who don't fit in with normal society. It doesn't have a "cause." The "cause" is themselves and feeling inadequate. I know my daughter's reason was very easy: "I was so shy, nobody ever talked to me. Drugs allowed me not to care and I suddenly had all these friends."</p><p></p><p>That is more often the reason in th e U.S.</p><p></p><p>I am sure this is hard to believe in countries where people care more about what happens to people who are not doing as well as we are and even bigger issues in the world. But it really is not happening here right now. The last time the kids cared about the world was during Nam and in my opinion that was only because it affected THEM. THEY could be drafted.</p><p></p><p>We are a selfish lot here.</p><p></p><p>Anyhow, this is just hodgepodge I learend from chatting so long to other people about our politics and with some of them "off the grid." Our schools do not encourage thinking about others. I am alarmed at how inept even some of our "beter" schools are.</p><p></p><p>At one time, Obama wanted to make a speech to the school children. In most countries, that would have been mandatory watching in class. But many schools were in areas who hated Obama and the parents protested it and he was not seen there. So...that may give you a hint as to what it is like here. We are very different and, of coruse, much bigger and more diverse (yet not more tolerant). At least, this is how I see it from my own eyes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 651630, member: 1550"] People who live off the grid in the US (and there are many) are rarely college kids. Maybe they do exist, but never heard of any. Usually it's a family who is suspicious of the government and thinks taxes is theft and so they buy land and build a fully self-functioning farm with well so that they have no ties to society and don't have to pay government bills and quite possibly can get away without paying taxes. Often, they are people who are so paranoid that we are going to have the government knocking on our door any minute to take our guns (this is a huge issue in the U.S.--lots of people are crazed about this gun issue. It is in our Constitution as the Right to Bear Arms, but many people believe our more "liberal" presidents will order guns be confiscated and we will end up like Hitler's underlings). I find this absurd and wacky, but most of these people are NOT mentally ill. They sound it to people who don't live here, but they are simply folks who are ready to go to war with the U.S. Governement and don't believe the government has any right to know anything about them. As an American, although I don't walk THAT walk, I understand their viewpoint and even agree in some areas. Now, the difference here, besides the issues, is that most of these folks live well. They are good with their hands. They know how to farm and prosper. They take care of one another. They often homeschool their children. They do not want to be found out. I have never met anybody who does this, but I did spend many, many years on a real time politics MIRC chat site and talked to many who were in fact living off the grid, for the most part, and finding ways to dodge the government and also many were certain the government was coming any minute to take their weapons. Some owned an stock pile of war-like weapons. Scary, to me, sensible to many Americans. Often they also stockpile items they will need when the government holds people in detention camps, but they feel they will be spared. Sounds nuts if you don't live in the US. Sounds nuts to some of us who do. But this faction of people exist here and they are about as off the grid as the Amish. Except that they do manage to use electricity and hot water and other luxuries and they do watch television. Id on't know if they go through proper channels or find alternative ways to accomplish this. America is very conservative right now and few progressive Americans are voiced these days therefore you see and hear few kids going off the grid because of racial or social injustice and even less care about the rest of the world. But I think we have always been insular. If our kids go wrong, it is usually a less complex reason. It is normally that they feel as if they dont' fit in and th at drugs is the answer to at least finding others who don't fit in with normal society. It doesn't have a "cause." The "cause" is themselves and feeling inadequate. I know my daughter's reason was very easy: "I was so shy, nobody ever talked to me. Drugs allowed me not to care and I suddenly had all these friends." That is more often the reason in th e U.S. I am sure this is hard to believe in countries where people care more about what happens to people who are not doing as well as we are and even bigger issues in the world. But it really is not happening here right now. The last time the kids cared about the world was during Nam and in my opinion that was only because it affected THEM. THEY could be drafted. We are a selfish lot here. Anyhow, this is just hodgepodge I learend from chatting so long to other people about our politics and with some of them "off the grid." Our schools do not encourage thinking about others. I am alarmed at how inept even some of our "beter" schools are. At one time, Obama wanted to make a speech to the school children. In most countries, that would have been mandatory watching in class. But many schools were in areas who hated Obama and the parents protested it and he was not seen there. So...that may give you a hint as to what it is like here. We are very different and, of coruse, much bigger and more diverse (yet not more tolerant). At least, this is how I see it from my own eyes. [/QUOTE]
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