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<blockquote data-quote="InsaneCdn" data-source="post: 436382" data-attributes="member: 11791"><p>She's going to want to keep up with her peers... and your job is to appear to support that, while still slowing her down. She will NOT be ready for a degree program... </p><p> </p><p>How can you slow them down? I'm more familiar with the "guy" side of that... for example, if he wants to be an engineer, steer him into a related trade first: machining, millwright, mechanic - this allows time for them to mature, and "earn while they learn", and even save up toward their degree... some places will take formal trade certification as partial credit toward a degree... for example, a degree in education is sometimes taken as "2 years on top of 4" - either get another degree first, OR get another 4-year program (and an apprenticeship counts). Want to be a nurse or doctor? start with LPN. Want to be a dietician? start with commercial cooking. The hands-on experience makes the theoretical stuff easier to understand later - and tends to be a huge leg up when they get into the workforce. (If you've made stuff to spec on the metal lathe, when YOU go to design a part, you're thinking of both how it works AND how its made - the fellow beside you has no idea what its like to actually make 20 of those things and get them all the same.)</p><p> </p><p>Memory problems... technically, NOT "part of" ADD - just another in a stream of possible comorbid conditions. Not all ADDers have significant executive function issues. Kids can have working memory issues and not be ADD.</p><p> </p><p>I think, too often (we fell into this trap), we take the first diagnosis as "final and complete" - and usually, it isn't. ADD, sensory issues, auditory issues, motor skills issues, memory issues, learning disabilities... The latest research we've heard about seems to indicate that these are all somewhat related, AND likely on the same general spectrum as the pervasive developmental disorders (Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) being one of those). Non-Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids usually don't have the extreme social difficulties that are typical of Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids - not that they don't have social issues, but not the same kinds. Even Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids are a wide range of skills and issues... If you like, try to picture all of these disorders as happening in the same area of the brain. Some people have no issues, others have one or two mild issues - enough to notice, but workable. Others have various sub-parts affected, some more than others. Its all "related" somehow. For example, an ADD kid may show "hits" on some of the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) testing, without reaching the clinical threshold for Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD)... might have serious problems with empathy, but not enough other problems to "be" Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) or Aspergers.</p><p> </p><p>Besides the ADD diagnosis, what other testing has been done? It will be important to know this as she goes forward, as this will help frame the kinds of accommodations she will need and the kinds of learning environments that are more likely to be successful.</p><p> </p><p>There's different kinds of working memory issues... from difficulty getting info in, to difficulty getting info out, to "unreliable" memory - getting it right sometimes and wrong other times, or remembering stuff that didn't actually happen. Some kids with memory problems can handle rote memorization - others can't do it if they were paid a million bucks. I could never get my multiplication tables right - until about grade 7, when some kind whiz of a math teacher sat me down and taught me some "rules" for fast calc of the tables... (4xY = 2x2xY; 8xY = 2x4xY = 2x2x2xY - if you know your twos, you can do 4s and 8s) I was allowed to bring the "rules" list in to exams, and have it open on my desk during math class. (This was YEARS before the whole concept of "accommodations" and working memory issues was even thought about!) </p><p> </p><p>And some "working memory issues" are not working memory issues at all... auditory processing problems, for example, can sometimes look like working memory problems. Seems like you've ruled out dyslexia, which is a learning disability. </p><p> </p><p>I'd suggest pursuing whatever other avenues you have to get a full ed-psychiatric or neuro-psychiatric work-up... what other formal problems exist beyond the ADD???</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="InsaneCdn, post: 436382, member: 11791"] She's going to want to keep up with her peers... and your job is to appear to support that, while still slowing her down. She will NOT be ready for a degree program... How can you slow them down? I'm more familiar with the "guy" side of that... for example, if he wants to be an engineer, steer him into a related trade first: machining, millwright, mechanic - this allows time for them to mature, and "earn while they learn", and even save up toward their degree... some places will take formal trade certification as partial credit toward a degree... for example, a degree in education is sometimes taken as "2 years on top of 4" - either get another degree first, OR get another 4-year program (and an apprenticeship counts). Want to be a nurse or doctor? start with LPN. Want to be a dietician? start with commercial cooking. The hands-on experience makes the theoretical stuff easier to understand later - and tends to be a huge leg up when they get into the workforce. (If you've made stuff to spec on the metal lathe, when YOU go to design a part, you're thinking of both how it works AND how its made - the fellow beside you has no idea what its like to actually make 20 of those things and get them all the same.) Memory problems... technically, NOT "part of" ADD - just another in a stream of possible comorbid conditions. Not all ADDers have significant executive function issues. Kids can have working memory issues and not be ADD. I think, too often (we fell into this trap), we take the first diagnosis as "final and complete" - and usually, it isn't. ADD, sensory issues, auditory issues, motor skills issues, memory issues, learning disabilities... The latest research we've heard about seems to indicate that these are all somewhat related, AND likely on the same general spectrum as the pervasive developmental disorders (Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) being one of those). Non-Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids usually don't have the extreme social difficulties that are typical of Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids - not that they don't have social issues, but not the same kinds. Even Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids are a wide range of skills and issues... If you like, try to picture all of these disorders as happening in the same area of the brain. Some people have no issues, others have one or two mild issues - enough to notice, but workable. Others have various sub-parts affected, some more than others. Its all "related" somehow. For example, an ADD kid may show "hits" on some of the Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) testing, without reaching the clinical threshold for Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD)... might have serious problems with empathy, but not enough other problems to "be" Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) or Aspergers. Besides the ADD diagnosis, what other testing has been done? It will be important to know this as she goes forward, as this will help frame the kinds of accommodations she will need and the kinds of learning environments that are more likely to be successful. There's different kinds of working memory issues... from difficulty getting info in, to difficulty getting info out, to "unreliable" memory - getting it right sometimes and wrong other times, or remembering stuff that didn't actually happen. Some kids with memory problems can handle rote memorization - others can't do it if they were paid a million bucks. I could never get my multiplication tables right - until about grade 7, when some kind whiz of a math teacher sat me down and taught me some "rules" for fast calc of the tables... (4xY = 2x2xY; 8xY = 2x4xY = 2x2x2xY - if you know your twos, you can do 4s and 8s) I was allowed to bring the "rules" list in to exams, and have it open on my desk during math class. (This was YEARS before the whole concept of "accommodations" and working memory issues was even thought about!) And some "working memory issues" are not working memory issues at all... auditory processing problems, for example, can sometimes look like working memory problems. Seems like you've ruled out dyslexia, which is a learning disability. I'd suggest pursuing whatever other avenues you have to get a full ed-psychiatric or neuro-psychiatric work-up... what other formal problems exist beyond the ADD??? [/QUOTE]
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