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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 569938" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>Well, we may have to reassess the situation. Seems Nichole exaggerated a tad due to being angry at Betsy, and I misunderstood about the cats. So here it is as it stands now with a calm Nichole. (I think Betsy lunging/growling/ in attack mode at pup scared her and rattled her)</p><p></p><p>Betsy is fine with Cassie and Figaro, the two established cats in the home. Pounce is the new comer and well.......he gets too big for his britches and has on several occasions scratched Betsy to the point of drawing blood and giving her a hefty injury. <strong>He</strong> is the one she doesn't want near her. That sounds more reasonable. I fostered Figaro as a kitten, she'd been traumatized outside and would lunge and scratch Betsy......and Betsy did not like her for ages. Once she was declawed, all has been well since. They're not super close but friends. Nichole is going to have Pounce declawed soon, and not just because of the incidences with Betsy. </p><p></p><p>That is the behavior that alarmed me most because as I said, Betsy adores cats. If she was a person, you'd say she was "cat people". To think that had suddenly changed, and she'd become aggressive with them.......would be alarming. </p><p></p><p>The nervousness with Oliver may only be due to the one incident with snapping at him. I have been with Oliver and Betsy and I've not read any aggression language when she is near Oliver. The true test is easy because she rarely sees me now that she lives with Nichole. (I was the sure fire trigger with Molly) But Oliver can be on my lap or right there with me while I'm loving all over a very excited desperately wanting to be loved by a momma she's missed so much Betsy and no aggressive anything. Bones are no longer an issue. Betsy eats them mainly in her crate. So this might just be a mother's wariness. (not helped by her husband harping on it because he doesn't care for betsy) Maybe not, but I sure have not picked up on it. If it were to happen, I'm the normal trigger for such jealousy aggression. And to be truthful, betsy had not been around a baby in years and when Oliver had went to pick up her bone he'd startled her. </p><p></p><p>Betsy is all love wrapped in fur, but she is not the brightest bulb in the box. I was surprised at her reaction to the pup yesterday. But I wonder if she didn't realize it was a baby? Today she's all wags and patience. Of course she's still under close supervision. She didn't even react when the pup bit her tail while playing. </p><p></p><p>It's hard for me to judge this situation with Betsy not here for me to observe. When she lived here it was jealousy, it seemed, maybe some dominance issues due to Molly refusing to fight back. Now I have to go on information given to me via Nichole. When I've visited though, I've seen nothing to cause me to worry. Good grief, Betsy likes the pet rabbit. Pounce does irritate her though, but he eggs it on too. Seeing Betsy go after the baby pup scared Nichole that it might carry over to Oliver. But I don't think so. I've seen Aubrey and Betsy together. I've seen Betsy with the other grands during all stages. If she was gonna bite a kid it would've been Katie's kids as they continuously backed her into corners trying to pet her. </p><p></p><p>Nichole's husband went ballistic over her making the appointment with the vet to put Betsy down. So, that's not going to happen. Nichole had already decided it hadn't come to that anyway. Now that Betsy is doing so well with the new pup this morning, including when the kids have shown the pup affection/attention........Betsy has had a reprieve from any action. And I know Nichole, when it came right down to it, she'd have returned the pup instead of doing something with Betsy. (unless Betsy were to show aggression with Oliver again) The bond is formed and is deep with Betsy, the pup is cute....but there is no bond as yet. </p><p></p><p>Lord. I wish she hadn't made it seem as if Betsy had gone off her nut to me yesterday. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/emoticons/sigh.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":sigh:" title="sigh :sigh:" data-shortname=":sigh:" /> She really had me worried. But Nichole had just freaked out when Betsy went after the new pup. Thank Goodness that is what it was. As I said, today Betsy is perfectly fine with the new baby, doesn't bother her a bit.....has even been enjoying her. (Nichole still has Betsy on leash and will for a few days yet, then when be short play periods built up over time. ) And the thing with the dogs on a walk? Betsy did the whole dog thing at the apartment, but stopped and was friendly once she got used to her walk, the area, and those that belonged there. She's just starting her walks at the new house, it will take time for her to get used to the new area.</p><p></p><p>Totally glad for the misunderstanding for once. Yay for Betsy. And since I now know Nichole tends to exaggerate when she freaks.....I'll let her ramble and wait to gather facts until she's calm. lol Whew. I was a mess yesterday. Bad enough Betsy had to go to Nichole, the thought of losing her altogether was horrible....</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 569938, member: 84"] Well, we may have to reassess the situation. Seems Nichole exaggerated a tad due to being angry at Betsy, and I misunderstood about the cats. So here it is as it stands now with a calm Nichole. (I think Betsy lunging/growling/ in attack mode at pup scared her and rattled her) Betsy is fine with Cassie and Figaro, the two established cats in the home. Pounce is the new comer and well.......he gets too big for his britches and has on several occasions scratched Betsy to the point of drawing blood and giving her a hefty injury. [B]He[/B] is the one she doesn't want near her. That sounds more reasonable. I fostered Figaro as a kitten, she'd been traumatized outside and would lunge and scratch Betsy......and Betsy did not like her for ages. Once she was declawed, all has been well since. They're not super close but friends. Nichole is going to have Pounce declawed soon, and not just because of the incidences with Betsy. That is the behavior that alarmed me most because as I said, Betsy adores cats. If she was a person, you'd say she was "cat people". To think that had suddenly changed, and she'd become aggressive with them.......would be alarming. The nervousness with Oliver may only be due to the one incident with snapping at him. I have been with Oliver and Betsy and I've not read any aggression language when she is near Oliver. The true test is easy because she rarely sees me now that she lives with Nichole. (I was the sure fire trigger with Molly) But Oliver can be on my lap or right there with me while I'm loving all over a very excited desperately wanting to be loved by a momma she's missed so much Betsy and no aggressive anything. Bones are no longer an issue. Betsy eats them mainly in her crate. So this might just be a mother's wariness. (not helped by her husband harping on it because he doesn't care for betsy) Maybe not, but I sure have not picked up on it. If it were to happen, I'm the normal trigger for such jealousy aggression. And to be truthful, betsy had not been around a baby in years and when Oliver had went to pick up her bone he'd startled her. Betsy is all love wrapped in fur, but she is not the brightest bulb in the box. I was surprised at her reaction to the pup yesterday. But I wonder if she didn't realize it was a baby? Today she's all wags and patience. Of course she's still under close supervision. She didn't even react when the pup bit her tail while playing. It's hard for me to judge this situation with Betsy not here for me to observe. When she lived here it was jealousy, it seemed, maybe some dominance issues due to Molly refusing to fight back. Now I have to go on information given to me via Nichole. When I've visited though, I've seen nothing to cause me to worry. Good grief, Betsy likes the pet rabbit. Pounce does irritate her though, but he eggs it on too. Seeing Betsy go after the baby pup scared Nichole that it might carry over to Oliver. But I don't think so. I've seen Aubrey and Betsy together. I've seen Betsy with the other grands during all stages. If she was gonna bite a kid it would've been Katie's kids as they continuously backed her into corners trying to pet her. Nichole's husband went ballistic over her making the appointment with the vet to put Betsy down. So, that's not going to happen. Nichole had already decided it hadn't come to that anyway. Now that Betsy is doing so well with the new pup this morning, including when the kids have shown the pup affection/attention........Betsy has had a reprieve from any action. And I know Nichole, when it came right down to it, she'd have returned the pup instead of doing something with Betsy. (unless Betsy were to show aggression with Oliver again) The bond is formed and is deep with Betsy, the pup is cute....but there is no bond as yet. Lord. I wish she hadn't made it seem as if Betsy had gone off her nut to me yesterday. :sigh: She really had me worried. But Nichole had just freaked out when Betsy went after the new pup. Thank Goodness that is what it was. As I said, today Betsy is perfectly fine with the new baby, doesn't bother her a bit.....has even been enjoying her. (Nichole still has Betsy on leash and will for a few days yet, then when be short play periods built up over time. ) And the thing with the dogs on a walk? Betsy did the whole dog thing at the apartment, but stopped and was friendly once she got used to her walk, the area, and those that belonged there. She's just starting her walks at the new house, it will take time for her to get used to the new area. Totally glad for the misunderstanding for once. Yay for Betsy. And since I now know Nichole tends to exaggerate when she freaks.....I'll let her ramble and wait to gather facts until she's calm. lol Whew. I was a mess yesterday. Bad enough Betsy had to go to Nichole, the thought of losing her altogether was horrible.... [/QUOTE]
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