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Dogs with behavior problems that no-kill shelters won't take or will kill
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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 559391" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>When I had a marking issue with a male it was a "territory" issue. He'd not dream of doing it anywhere else in the house except rooms he wasn't ever allowed in. (in other words, didn't have his scent) I never got him to stop, but he was rehomed to an exceptional family and got to live mostly outside with a cushy heated shed of his own as a stud. They adored him. I never again had rooms my dogs were not allowed in and it has never again been an issue. </p><p></p><p>Why couldn't you rehome to people who live on a farm who could let them be outside much of the time like you used to do? </p><p></p><p>There is a large difference between "marking" and breaking house training and due to the feces; they're not just marking. You have a house training issue. </p><p></p><p>I reinforce house training with a treat, every single time they go out and do something. I have trained adult outside dogs to the inside, the treat thing works wonders. You have to keep it up for a good long while too. Maggie is 6 months and she still gets a small treat every single time she goes. She will for a very long time. The point is I want her to get very used to inside stays nice and clean; outside is where you go. She hasn't broken training in a very long time.........and that was only due to a very nasty case of diarrhea. </p><p></p><p>If they can't hold it during the night, they need to be crated. Period. They will learn quickly that they will NOT like going in their crate and avoid doing so at all costs. </p><p></p><p>I realize your dogs are older. Rowdy is 14 and has been outside his entire life. I can bring him inside any time I want. He has <strong>never ever</strong> had an accident inside, yet he's never officially been house trained. But when he comes in due to bad weather, he has no choice but to sleep in a crate. (just in case) His scent is nowhere in this house, yet he has never marked once. He might rub up against something, but no peeing anywhere. </p><p></p><p>If you are determined to keep them, you're going to have to try to retrain them that outside is for potty and inside is to stay clean. After all this time, that is not going to be easy to do. You're going to have to be much more stubborn than they are. </p><p></p><p>Also, how much exercise do they get per day? Now that Rowdy is walked faithfully every day he has once again stopped pooing in his kennel (even though he is outside he is smart enough to prefer his kennel to be clean). He saves it for his walk instead. A trade off for us. We don't have to clean out the kennel but we do have to pick up after him on a walk. Even the girls rarely go in the yard now that they take a 2 mile walk per day. </p><p></p><p>And I've had dogs my entire life..........never once had dog poo or urine kill the grass. If urine is doing it, they're usually not getting enough water. If feces is doing it you might want to change their food. </p><p></p><p>This is a big problem. I know I wouldn't have let it go on for this long and I'm a very patient person when it comes to dogs. But stepping in poo over and over again in the middle of the night?? Uh, no.</p><p></p><p>First, I'd look at diet and exercise. Make sure they're getting lots of outside exercise with pottying outside reinforced with a treat. I'd crate at night to make sure the house stays clean when you're not up to watch them. I'd crate when you leave as well. </p><p></p><p>I've only dealt with 2 no kill shelters. The one in dayton could care less if a dog is house trained or not. (they'll just tell potential adoptees they're not house trained) The one down here doesn't even ask..........and still do NOT euthanize unadoptable dogs. They have 2 that have been there for 7 yrs now and too scared of people to be adopted. The only reason a no kill shelter considers euthanasia is usually aggressive behavior. At least in this area. Under some circumstances, that isn't even enough reason. </p><p></p><p>Besides if the dogs found a new home with say a doggie door to a yard they could roam and run in at will, the issues you're having may not even come up with a new owner. Know what I mean??</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 559391, member: 84"] When I had a marking issue with a male it was a "territory" issue. He'd not dream of doing it anywhere else in the house except rooms he wasn't ever allowed in. (in other words, didn't have his scent) I never got him to stop, but he was rehomed to an exceptional family and got to live mostly outside with a cushy heated shed of his own as a stud. They adored him. I never again had rooms my dogs were not allowed in and it has never again been an issue. Why couldn't you rehome to people who live on a farm who could let them be outside much of the time like you used to do? There is a large difference between "marking" and breaking house training and due to the feces; they're not just marking. You have a house training issue. I reinforce house training with a treat, every single time they go out and do something. I have trained adult outside dogs to the inside, the treat thing works wonders. You have to keep it up for a good long while too. Maggie is 6 months and she still gets a small treat every single time she goes. She will for a very long time. The point is I want her to get very used to inside stays nice and clean; outside is where you go. She hasn't broken training in a very long time.........and that was only due to a very nasty case of diarrhea. If they can't hold it during the night, they need to be crated. Period. They will learn quickly that they will NOT like going in their crate and avoid doing so at all costs. I realize your dogs are older. Rowdy is 14 and has been outside his entire life. I can bring him inside any time I want. He has [B]never ever[/B] had an accident inside, yet he's never officially been house trained. But when he comes in due to bad weather, he has no choice but to sleep in a crate. (just in case) His scent is nowhere in this house, yet he has never marked once. He might rub up against something, but no peeing anywhere. If you are determined to keep them, you're going to have to try to retrain them that outside is for potty and inside is to stay clean. After all this time, that is not going to be easy to do. You're going to have to be much more stubborn than they are. Also, how much exercise do they get per day? Now that Rowdy is walked faithfully every day he has once again stopped pooing in his kennel (even though he is outside he is smart enough to prefer his kennel to be clean). He saves it for his walk instead. A trade off for us. We don't have to clean out the kennel but we do have to pick up after him on a walk. Even the girls rarely go in the yard now that they take a 2 mile walk per day. And I've had dogs my entire life..........never once had dog poo or urine kill the grass. If urine is doing it, they're usually not getting enough water. If feces is doing it you might want to change their food. This is a big problem. I know I wouldn't have let it go on for this long and I'm a very patient person when it comes to dogs. But stepping in poo over and over again in the middle of the night?? Uh, no. First, I'd look at diet and exercise. Make sure they're getting lots of outside exercise with pottying outside reinforced with a treat. I'd crate at night to make sure the house stays clean when you're not up to watch them. I'd crate when you leave as well. I've only dealt with 2 no kill shelters. The one in dayton could care less if a dog is house trained or not. (they'll just tell potential adoptees they're not house trained) The one down here doesn't even ask..........and still do NOT euthanize unadoptable dogs. They have 2 that have been there for 7 yrs now and too scared of people to be adopted. The only reason a no kill shelter considers euthanasia is usually aggressive behavior. At least in this area. Under some circumstances, that isn't even enough reason. Besides if the dogs found a new home with say a doggie door to a yard they could roam and run in at will, the issues you're having may not even come up with a new owner. Know what I mean?? [/QUOTE]
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