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<blockquote data-quote="Jabberwockey" data-source="post: 664137" data-attributes="member: 18238"><p>Well said SWOT. For the record, I have no problem whatsoever with counter culture. I agree whole heartedly that the U.S. worker is seriously undervalued. But what we on this board are dealing with isn't counter culture or youth frustrated with being undervalued in the work force. They are the ones who are happy to live off of someone else's dime. The one's who will happily justify stealing from someone trying to help them. The one's who give the counter culture a bad name. The Entitled One's.</p><p></p><p>I've had little experience dealing with unions myself, but what I've had was bad. Granted, unions in corrections aren't really unions so much as political advocates. Well, political advocates selling a product that nobody wants to acknowledge much less buy so in there defense they have it pretty tough. While I was still in the academy a group of us on break were approached by a representative of AFSCME, a nation wide public service organization, who attempted to get us to join. I shut him down with just a few questions. "Can you get us better pay? No. Can you get us better working conditions? No. Can you get us better benefits? No. Then what can you do for us? We will fight for you if you're wrongfully terminated! You'll do that whether we join or not. What can you do for us?" After a few seconds of silence, he walked away. Our current union has been ineffectual at best in getting us anything. I joined MOCOA for a year because I was assured that we were VERY close to getting longevity pay, pay based on cost of living raises as well as time in service. A year later I was receiving the same assurances so I left. 8 years later they are still giving the same assurances. In the immoral words of Dr. Evil, RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.</p><p></p><p>But bear in mind that Corrections Officers in Missouri are contractually forbidden from striking. Seems a bit harsh but it actually makes sense. If the local grocery store strikes you simply either support them or go somewhere else. If we have a mass walkout or serious case of the Blue Flu then the National Guard must be called in and the institutions placed on lockdown. Offenders can't exactly chose to be incarcerated elsewhere!</p><p></p><p>I have no problem at all with people who draw disability, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, etc... legitimately. I have a problem with people who are fully capable of working who would rather mooch off of the system because they think its owed to them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jabberwockey, post: 664137, member: 18238"] Well said SWOT. For the record, I have no problem whatsoever with counter culture. I agree whole heartedly that the U.S. worker is seriously undervalued. But what we on this board are dealing with isn't counter culture or youth frustrated with being undervalued in the work force. They are the ones who are happy to live off of someone else's dime. The one's who will happily justify stealing from someone trying to help them. The one's who give the counter culture a bad name. The Entitled One's. I've had little experience dealing with unions myself, but what I've had was bad. Granted, unions in corrections aren't really unions so much as political advocates. Well, political advocates selling a product that nobody wants to acknowledge much less buy so in there defense they have it pretty tough. While I was still in the academy a group of us on break were approached by a representative of AFSCME, a nation wide public service organization, who attempted to get us to join. I shut him down with just a few questions. "Can you get us better pay? No. Can you get us better working conditions? No. Can you get us better benefits? No. Then what can you do for us? We will fight for you if you're wrongfully terminated! You'll do that whether we join or not. What can you do for us?" After a few seconds of silence, he walked away. Our current union has been ineffectual at best in getting us anything. I joined MOCOA for a year because I was assured that we were VERY close to getting longevity pay, pay based on cost of living raises as well as time in service. A year later I was receiving the same assurances so I left. 8 years later they are still giving the same assurances. In the immoral words of Dr. Evil, RIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. But bear in mind that Corrections Officers in Missouri are contractually forbidden from striking. Seems a bit harsh but it actually makes sense. If the local grocery store strikes you simply either support them or go somewhere else. If we have a mass walkout or serious case of the Blue Flu then the National Guard must be called in and the institutions placed on lockdown. Offenders can't exactly chose to be incarcerated elsewhere! I have no problem at all with people who draw disability, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, etc... legitimately. I have a problem with people who are fully capable of working who would rather mooch off of the system because they think its owed to them. [/QUOTE]
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