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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 505168" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>When thank you was in first grade they had a program with the same name but it was NOT "let the kid do whatever they want" by a LONG LONG LONG shot.</p><p></p><p>Conscious discipline was about getting the child to think about what they had done, how it made the other child or other kids in the class feel, and what would be a reasonable consequence and a better way to handle things. I spent quite a bit of time in the classroom that year because it was the first year we were really doing Occupational Therapist (OT) with thank you, plus I was room mom. It was all about getting the kids to think through what they were doing and it worked. The worst kid in class had severe diabetes and a mom who could barely add, so she was constantly giving him the wrong insulin dose and then having to get him to the ER (she was off that much - put him in a coma for two days at one point NOT because she did this purposely but because she couldn't add, read, write, or really comprehend what she was doing. The entire school was terrified each time he went home at night until finally the docs put a pump in that did it automatically.).</p><p></p><p>When the kid could think clearly, you could get even him to understand how the other kid felt when he ripped up their project or hit them, and he would choose time out or to apologize or to say he was sorry. It was about helping a child THINK through the process and LEARN self discipline.</p><p></p><p>If the child couldn't or wouldn't go through the steps, the teacher would have them sit and think about it for a while, then talk to them again and gently suggest the next step. It worked a LOT better than just having a kid say he was sorry because usually the kid wasn't if the teacher just told them to apologize. </p><p></p><p>Your area has taken this (which several friends of mine who live in different states say is what they are doing in their school systems) and completely missed the point.</p><p></p><p>I LIKE the way it is done here because by 3rd or 4th grade the kids are showing more empathy and are more able to solve their own problems. But that won't EVER happen in your area because apparently thinking has been replaced by "do whatever you want" which I thought was a 70s thing that we figured out was idiotic.</p><p></p><p>Heck, it sort of sounds like a Penelope Leach talk I saw one day when Wiz was little. She advocated that parents NOT set routines and bedtimes and mealtimes. That it was "natural" and "better" to let a child eat whenever they are hungry, whatever they want, and sleep whenever/wherever they want. She actually kept a straight face and said that children will stay up late for a few nights but in less than a week they will probably be putting themselves to bed earlier than their parents would AND they will take more and longer naps than parents enforce. Plus if left to choose WHATEVER they want, healthy or not, they will overall choose healthy snacks over processed sugary or salty high fat snacks IF parents would just stop making them eat at set times and making them eat specific things. </p><p></p><p>It was the stupidest and funniest thing I had ever heard. I have an aunt who did this. Her kids stopped napping by 12 mos, slept VERY little, and for about four years they went through a quart of honey every other week because EVERY food item had to have "dip" which meant honey. For fruit they had fruit snacks, those candies that are basically jello that someone let sit out for a few weeks until it dried up. They also would occasionally decide to not eat for a day which meant my aunt would sit and cajole them into eating chocolate donuts dipped in honey with promises of new toys and videos. I heard over and over about what a horrid parent I was because my kids had naptime every day, they had bedtimes, they got fruit snacks once in a while as CANDY and they did NOT dip all their food in honey (which, apparently, was good for kids because it was natural - should have seen her face when I asked if she would let them smoke pot if it was also organically grown - after all it IS natural). </p><p></p><p>I went out to eat with my aunt and her kids ONE time. Mostly I stopped even going to their house because it was just such a horror show to me. The kids were in charge and my aunt thought she was mother of the year with an okay daughter and a son who is the best person who has ever lived (she still thinks this and has run off every girlfriend he has ever had by telling the girl how "blessed" she is to be dating such a perfect young man - who is a total jerk with real anger issues). Her daughter is amazing NOW, a sweet, smart, talented young lady who has taught herself excellent manners. But when they were little? Total nightmare to see in public. </p><p></p><p>I am sorry you are stuck with this koi. I hope in a year or two it passes. Until then, I admire your patience. I would be telling them to stop and getting into trouble. This makes no sense and does the kids a HUGE disservice. NOT in my opinion, in reality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 505168, member: 1233"] When thank you was in first grade they had a program with the same name but it was NOT "let the kid do whatever they want" by a LONG LONG LONG shot. Conscious discipline was about getting the child to think about what they had done, how it made the other child or other kids in the class feel, and what would be a reasonable consequence and a better way to handle things. I spent quite a bit of time in the classroom that year because it was the first year we were really doing Occupational Therapist (OT) with thank you, plus I was room mom. It was all about getting the kids to think through what they were doing and it worked. The worst kid in class had severe diabetes and a mom who could barely add, so she was constantly giving him the wrong insulin dose and then having to get him to the ER (she was off that much - put him in a coma for two days at one point NOT because she did this purposely but because she couldn't add, read, write, or really comprehend what she was doing. The entire school was terrified each time he went home at night until finally the docs put a pump in that did it automatically.). When the kid could think clearly, you could get even him to understand how the other kid felt when he ripped up their project or hit them, and he would choose time out or to apologize or to say he was sorry. It was about helping a child THINK through the process and LEARN self discipline. If the child couldn't or wouldn't go through the steps, the teacher would have them sit and think about it for a while, then talk to them again and gently suggest the next step. It worked a LOT better than just having a kid say he was sorry because usually the kid wasn't if the teacher just told them to apologize. Your area has taken this (which several friends of mine who live in different states say is what they are doing in their school systems) and completely missed the point. I LIKE the way it is done here because by 3rd or 4th grade the kids are showing more empathy and are more able to solve their own problems. But that won't EVER happen in your area because apparently thinking has been replaced by "do whatever you want" which I thought was a 70s thing that we figured out was idiotic. Heck, it sort of sounds like a Penelope Leach talk I saw one day when Wiz was little. She advocated that parents NOT set routines and bedtimes and mealtimes. That it was "natural" and "better" to let a child eat whenever they are hungry, whatever they want, and sleep whenever/wherever they want. She actually kept a straight face and said that children will stay up late for a few nights but in less than a week they will probably be putting themselves to bed earlier than their parents would AND they will take more and longer naps than parents enforce. Plus if left to choose WHATEVER they want, healthy or not, they will overall choose healthy snacks over processed sugary or salty high fat snacks IF parents would just stop making them eat at set times and making them eat specific things. It was the stupidest and funniest thing I had ever heard. I have an aunt who did this. Her kids stopped napping by 12 mos, slept VERY little, and for about four years they went through a quart of honey every other week because EVERY food item had to have "dip" which meant honey. For fruit they had fruit snacks, those candies that are basically jello that someone let sit out for a few weeks until it dried up. They also would occasionally decide to not eat for a day which meant my aunt would sit and cajole them into eating chocolate donuts dipped in honey with promises of new toys and videos. I heard over and over about what a horrid parent I was because my kids had naptime every day, they had bedtimes, they got fruit snacks once in a while as CANDY and they did NOT dip all their food in honey (which, apparently, was good for kids because it was natural - should have seen her face when I asked if she would let them smoke pot if it was also organically grown - after all it IS natural). I went out to eat with my aunt and her kids ONE time. Mostly I stopped even going to their house because it was just such a horror show to me. The kids were in charge and my aunt thought she was mother of the year with an okay daughter and a son who is the best person who has ever lived (she still thinks this and has run off every girlfriend he has ever had by telling the girl how "blessed" she is to be dating such a perfect young man - who is a total jerk with real anger issues). Her daughter is amazing NOW, a sweet, smart, talented young lady who has taught herself excellent manners. But when they were little? Total nightmare to see in public. I am sorry you are stuck with this koi. I hope in a year or two it passes. Until then, I admire your patience. I would be telling them to stop and getting into trouble. This makes no sense and does the kids a HUGE disservice. NOT in my opinion, in reality. [/QUOTE]
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