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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 505287" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>These kids would probably be better off if they were raised by wolves. Wolves would tolerate some behaviors but would at least set some boundaries. </p><p></p><p>I would LOVE to see a reporter get some hidden nanny cam video of this going on and then ask some questions. Talk about the HUGE uproar that would cause. I would be the kind of parent to send a nanny cam in a teddy bear with a kid if I could. This place is nuts, a TOTAL abuse of public funds, a TOTAL abdication of responsibility by the adults (not MWM but those who insist on this ridiculous policy), and a cruelty to the children and their families.</p><p></p><p>Programs like this are one reason that every time we go to get help for a difficult child we get parenting classes - those who deal with kids later figure that this is how we parent because there ARE programs like this out there. So it is very very hard to tell the difference between a true difficult child and a child who is easy child but was in this environment during the early years and the parents have NO clue how to turn it around. This program makes as much sense to me as parents who say things like, "You don't want to color on the walls, Jimmie." in a sweet voice, or say "Do you want to go to bed now?" Of COURSE Jimmie wants to color on the walls - who wouldn't!! All that big area that is just one blank color - looks like fun to me and I am in my 40s. Of COURSE he doesn't want to go to bed now - what kid would answer yes to that??? Well, other than Jess but she was such a strange child. Even with Jess you never knew if it was yes or no - if she was tired she said yes. husband used to ask idiot questions and then wonder what to do when the kids didn't think doing what he wanted was a good idea. I followed him around an entire week of his vacation when Wiz was 2 dealing with that stupid habit. No way was I dealing iwth fallout from that. husband was ready to choke me by the end of the week, but he could see why Wiz was a LOT more cooperative with me than with him.</p><p></p><p>I went to school with a kid who's mom wrote psychology textbooks for college classes. She also taught psychology. She believed in this type of idiotic "self expression" and that children shouldn't be "stifled" by society's expectations. I think some stifling is good for most of us - it lets us form communities. She raised her son with very minimal guidelines beyond good grades and he got massive rewards for that. Her husband was also a professor but he travelled most of the time by the time the kid could talk. This boy had such a tough time with ANY type of socialization. By high school he could put on a veneer but underneath just did not get it - and he was NOT on the autism spectrum in ANY way. He simply had no framework to really understand relationships. He is the one who thought he was dating the daughter of a state trooper (her dad) and my English teacher (her mom) and she spoke to him at lunch a couple of times - that was IT. It took those of us who worked in the darkroom with him on the yearbook and newspaper a year to figure out that she knew very very little of this "relationship" but he had thousands of photos of her, including many in her underwear or with nothing on taken through a window (they lived in the country, no neighbors, so she wasn't as careful about curtains - it happens here). When we finally realized what was going on (he was a year older than I am, she a year younger and no one I knew had classes with her), we went to the jr high and told her mom, and showed her some photos he had thrown away because they were not printed the way he wanted. The whole family was really shocked and scared, and he was incredibly confused. </p><p></p><p>THAT is what the kind of thing MWM is dealing with can create - and I do NOT think this kid would have had any problems more than any other teen if someone had just taken the time to teach him basic socialization when he was little. His mom has published papers about how she raised him - even called it an experiment - and her philosophies of child rearing. I won't say names and they are NOT well known because the psychologists I knew and the sociology profs I knew were all pretty horrified by it, esp as she did it on her own child and they knew the problems he had later in life. </p><p></p><p>This isn't new, it is just a re-tread of lunacy in child rearing. Sadly, if they can claim it is "evidence based" there is someone somewhere who will think it is a good idea. </p><p></p><p>And later we get to provide prisons and mental health care for these poor kids that might have been totally unnecessary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 505287, member: 1233"] These kids would probably be better off if they were raised by wolves. Wolves would tolerate some behaviors but would at least set some boundaries. I would LOVE to see a reporter get some hidden nanny cam video of this going on and then ask some questions. Talk about the HUGE uproar that would cause. I would be the kind of parent to send a nanny cam in a teddy bear with a kid if I could. This place is nuts, a TOTAL abuse of public funds, a TOTAL abdication of responsibility by the adults (not MWM but those who insist on this ridiculous policy), and a cruelty to the children and their families. Programs like this are one reason that every time we go to get help for a difficult child we get parenting classes - those who deal with kids later figure that this is how we parent because there ARE programs like this out there. So it is very very hard to tell the difference between a true difficult child and a child who is easy child but was in this environment during the early years and the parents have NO clue how to turn it around. This program makes as much sense to me as parents who say things like, "You don't want to color on the walls, Jimmie." in a sweet voice, or say "Do you want to go to bed now?" Of COURSE Jimmie wants to color on the walls - who wouldn't!! All that big area that is just one blank color - looks like fun to me and I am in my 40s. Of COURSE he doesn't want to go to bed now - what kid would answer yes to that??? Well, other than Jess but she was such a strange child. Even with Jess you never knew if it was yes or no - if she was tired she said yes. husband used to ask idiot questions and then wonder what to do when the kids didn't think doing what he wanted was a good idea. I followed him around an entire week of his vacation when Wiz was 2 dealing with that stupid habit. No way was I dealing iwth fallout from that. husband was ready to choke me by the end of the week, but he could see why Wiz was a LOT more cooperative with me than with him. I went to school with a kid who's mom wrote psychology textbooks for college classes. She also taught psychology. She believed in this type of idiotic "self expression" and that children shouldn't be "stifled" by society's expectations. I think some stifling is good for most of us - it lets us form communities. She raised her son with very minimal guidelines beyond good grades and he got massive rewards for that. Her husband was also a professor but he travelled most of the time by the time the kid could talk. This boy had such a tough time with ANY type of socialization. By high school he could put on a veneer but underneath just did not get it - and he was NOT on the autism spectrum in ANY way. He simply had no framework to really understand relationships. He is the one who thought he was dating the daughter of a state trooper (her dad) and my English teacher (her mom) and she spoke to him at lunch a couple of times - that was IT. It took those of us who worked in the darkroom with him on the yearbook and newspaper a year to figure out that she knew very very little of this "relationship" but he had thousands of photos of her, including many in her underwear or with nothing on taken through a window (they lived in the country, no neighbors, so she wasn't as careful about curtains - it happens here). When we finally realized what was going on (he was a year older than I am, she a year younger and no one I knew had classes with her), we went to the jr high and told her mom, and showed her some photos he had thrown away because they were not printed the way he wanted. The whole family was really shocked and scared, and he was incredibly confused. THAT is what the kind of thing MWM is dealing with can create - and I do NOT think this kid would have had any problems more than any other teen if someone had just taken the time to teach him basic socialization when he was little. His mom has published papers about how she raised him - even called it an experiment - and her philosophies of child rearing. I won't say names and they are NOT well known because the psychologists I knew and the sociology profs I knew were all pretty horrified by it, esp as she did it on her own child and they knew the problems he had later in life. This isn't new, it is just a re-tread of lunacy in child rearing. Sadly, if they can claim it is "evidence based" there is someone somewhere who will think it is a good idea. And later we get to provide prisons and mental health care for these poor kids that might have been totally unnecessary. [/QUOTE]
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