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Here we go again - Women just aren't "allowed" to be stand up for themselves.
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<blockquote data-quote="muttmeister" data-source="post: 435470" data-attributes="member: 135"><p>I have a historical perspective on this.</p><p> </p><p>I grew up during the time (1950s) when women were treated as if they were stupid children. We were expected to keep our mouths shut and not make the boys or men mad and not overshadow them and make them feel bad about themselves. We were told to be aware of what other people thought and try not to ruffle anybody. That was what girls did. (Unfortunately or fortunately, most of that didn't take very well with me).</p><p> </p><p>Then I went to college in the late 60s. Women were still second class citizens but because of a lot of the other things going on a lot of women (especially young women) began speaking out about things that were unpopular and learned that pleasing a bunch of dopey men was not necessarily worth thinking about.</p><p> </p><p>I was a young adult in the 70s when the women's movement got going full blast. At that point a lot of us learned to be more assertive and to take no cr*p from anybody. There were confrontations everywhere and many of us spent a lot of our time in fight mode.</p><p> </p><p>Later there was a backlash among some women. They wanted to go back to the way they thought things were in the mythical past. They forgot all of the outrages that had been perpetrated against women during those earlier years but they liked the idea of being put on a pedestal and not having to be responsible for themselves. We lost a lot of ground during that time.</p><p> </p><p>I'm not sure we have recovered from that. I see strong women everywhere who are ignoring the foolishness. There are role models now who show that women can be assertive and effective. You can find a role model whether you are of the thinking of Hillary C. or Sarah P. You can admire Madelyn Albright or Condoleeza Rice. Whether you are on the right or the left or whatever your race or religion, you can find strong women, making a difference. I think that is going to do more for women yearning to be taken seriously than just about anything else. It's going to take awhile. The biggest problem is that there are still a lot of women who aren't with the program. </p><p> </p><p>I have never been a typical girlie girl. I love nice clothes and high heels and make up and jewelry. I cook and knit and crochet and do all of the girly things and I enjoy them. But I also have always been blunt and outspoken and have had no patience with the girly drama that I still see so many places. Because of that, I have always related better with men than with women. I can go to the bar and be comfortable talking football with the guys. Because i live in a small place, they don't hit on me because they know me and they know if they do I will probably fall off of my stool laughing at them.</p><p> </p><p>It's really not true that we aren't "allowed" to stand up for ourselves. It's just that it is something that we have to DO and let the chips fall where they may. If somebody else doesn't understand, that's not our problem it is theirs. We may have to keep pointing that out to them but eventually they may get it and if they don't, their sons or their grandsons will. </p><p> </p><p>Keep raising he!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="muttmeister, post: 435470, member: 135"] I have a historical perspective on this. I grew up during the time (1950s) when women were treated as if they were stupid children. We were expected to keep our mouths shut and not make the boys or men mad and not overshadow them and make them feel bad about themselves. We were told to be aware of what other people thought and try not to ruffle anybody. That was what girls did. (Unfortunately or fortunately, most of that didn't take very well with me). Then I went to college in the late 60s. Women were still second class citizens but because of a lot of the other things going on a lot of women (especially young women) began speaking out about things that were unpopular and learned that pleasing a bunch of dopey men was not necessarily worth thinking about. I was a young adult in the 70s when the women's movement got going full blast. At that point a lot of us learned to be more assertive and to take no cr*p from anybody. There were confrontations everywhere and many of us spent a lot of our time in fight mode. Later there was a backlash among some women. They wanted to go back to the way they thought things were in the mythical past. They forgot all of the outrages that had been perpetrated against women during those earlier years but they liked the idea of being put on a pedestal and not having to be responsible for themselves. We lost a lot of ground during that time. I'm not sure we have recovered from that. I see strong women everywhere who are ignoring the foolishness. There are role models now who show that women can be assertive and effective. You can find a role model whether you are of the thinking of Hillary C. or Sarah P. You can admire Madelyn Albright or Condoleeza Rice. Whether you are on the right or the left or whatever your race or religion, you can find strong women, making a difference. I think that is going to do more for women yearning to be taken seriously than just about anything else. It's going to take awhile. The biggest problem is that there are still a lot of women who aren't with the program. I have never been a typical girlie girl. I love nice clothes and high heels and make up and jewelry. I cook and knit and crochet and do all of the girly things and I enjoy them. But I also have always been blunt and outspoken and have had no patience with the girly drama that I still see so many places. Because of that, I have always related better with men than with women. I can go to the bar and be comfortable talking football with the guys. Because i live in a small place, they don't hit on me because they know me and they know if they do I will probably fall off of my stool laughing at them. It's really not true that we aren't "allowed" to stand up for ourselves. It's just that it is something that we have to DO and let the chips fall where they may. If somebody else doesn't understand, that's not our problem it is theirs. We may have to keep pointing that out to them but eventually they may get it and if they don't, their sons or their grandsons will. Keep raising he!! [/QUOTE]
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