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Inclusion...some kids in my opinion shouldn't be with the regular kids
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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 403687" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>I just googled conscious discipline. They have a website, <a href="http://www.consciousdiscipline.com" target="_blank">www.consciousdiscipline.com</a> . Some of the ideas are good and could work. Many of them if used exclusively are nuts. From what I read int heir discipline tips, youa re supposed to see a refusal to do something or bad behavior as a sign that the child needs more from you. They don't advise giving in to tantrums, but say that the role of the adult is to help the child move through the tantrum. They want you to show breathing exercises and help the child breath through a tantrum. WTF?? They say this in the sentence after they say you cannot reach a child during a tantrum. So How in the world are you to get them to breathe your way?</p><p> </p><p>These things are fine iwth pcs. They actually can work. Their idea with don't actually can be helpful. If you are taking a kid to a store with a kid section and you need to go to the next section, many of us would say "don't leave the kids area". It actually does work better to say "stay in the kids area, the area with this boundary". It is easier and clearer for a kid to understand. If you figure kids are like the dog in the old cartoon wehre the guy is saying "Fido, we don't eat off the table. Fido, you did a bad thing, you won't get bones" and all the dog hears is "Fido eat table fido get bones". Kids aren't that simple, but this really does work.</p><p> </p><p>But it should be the ONLY thing you do with kids. If it is CLEAR that a child will NOT respond to this you should be allowed to move on with them. They called it positive discipline and had 4 levels of problem behavior at our school in past years. When combined with techniques from Love and Logic the teachers did pretty well with it. thank you was in first grade when they started. They did find that in the special needs classes, and in reg classes with special needs students, it took a LOT more people to use this because it was incredibly time intensive because you have to make the child care about making you happy. </p><p> </p><p>Without these kids I think you would see good things with this plan, but as it is there is little chance things will get much better. It is a bad situation for everyone - esp the other kids who are at the mercy of the bad behaviors of the 3 kids you described. </p><p> </p><p>I am sorry you have to deal with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 403687, member: 1233"] I just googled conscious discipline. They have a website, [URL="http://www.consciousdiscipline.com"]www.consciousdiscipline.com[/URL] . Some of the ideas are good and could work. Many of them if used exclusively are nuts. From what I read int heir discipline tips, youa re supposed to see a refusal to do something or bad behavior as a sign that the child needs more from you. They don't advise giving in to tantrums, but say that the role of the adult is to help the child move through the tantrum. They want you to show breathing exercises and help the child breath through a tantrum. WTF?? They say this in the sentence after they say you cannot reach a child during a tantrum. So How in the world are you to get them to breathe your way? These things are fine iwth pcs. They actually can work. Their idea with don't actually can be helpful. If you are taking a kid to a store with a kid section and you need to go to the next section, many of us would say "don't leave the kids area". It actually does work better to say "stay in the kids area, the area with this boundary". It is easier and clearer for a kid to understand. If you figure kids are like the dog in the old cartoon wehre the guy is saying "Fido, we don't eat off the table. Fido, you did a bad thing, you won't get bones" and all the dog hears is "Fido eat table fido get bones". Kids aren't that simple, but this really does work. But it should be the ONLY thing you do with kids. If it is CLEAR that a child will NOT respond to this you should be allowed to move on with them. They called it positive discipline and had 4 levels of problem behavior at our school in past years. When combined with techniques from Love and Logic the teachers did pretty well with it. thank you was in first grade when they started. They did find that in the special needs classes, and in reg classes with special needs students, it took a LOT more people to use this because it was incredibly time intensive because you have to make the child care about making you happy. Without these kids I think you would see good things with this plan, but as it is there is little chance things will get much better. It is a bad situation for everyone - esp the other kids who are at the mercy of the bad behaviors of the 3 kids you described. I am sorry you have to deal with it. [/QUOTE]
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