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Inclusion...some kids in my opinion shouldn't be with the regular kids
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<blockquote data-quote="donna723" data-source="post: 403701" data-attributes="member: 1883"><p>OMG! My grandson is right smack in the middle of that defiant stage and throws the occasional tantrum - the kicking, arms flailing, scream till your face turns purple kind of tantrums! The thought of trying to teach him <em>breathing techniques</em> to use during his tantrums is absolutely ridiculous! That's almost funny! I've never heard of "Conscious Discipline" either but to me it sounds like the equivlant of no discipline at all! Just kids running wild with no consequences at all! And while these kids are running wild and not learning anything, the other calmer kids won't be learning anything either because of the constant disruption. What (probably childless) idiot came up with this one?</p><p> </p><p>I'm pretty darned old and I can't help but see the differences between schools when I was a kid and the way they are now. We were disciplined by our parents at home and most of us wouldn't dream of acting like that in a classroom. And if we ever did, there were consequences at school, and more consequences from our parents when we got home! We KNEW who was in charge and we KNEW that it wasn't us! We had 35, sometimes 40 kids in a classroom but it was calm and orderly. There was no such thing as teachers aids in a classroom, we barely had a library, of course there were no computers, and if there had been such a thing as pocket-sized calculators, we wouldn't have been allowed to use them. If you were capable of doing the work but chose not to, you failed and repeated the grade. When it was time for college,you either had the grades to get in or you didn't ... no such thing as remedial work of the things you should have learned in high school in the universities. And I can GUARANTEE you that we received a better education back then than my own kids did when they graduated in the 1990's. And my kids received a better education back in the 1990's than the kids who are graduating today. And when you compare what is different between now and back then, a huge part of it is discipline! The school staff is not in charge anymore, the kids are, and they know it! And they all suffer from it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="donna723, post: 403701, member: 1883"] OMG! My grandson is right smack in the middle of that defiant stage and throws the occasional tantrum - the kicking, arms flailing, scream till your face turns purple kind of tantrums! The thought of trying to teach him [I]breathing techniques[/I] to use during his tantrums is absolutely ridiculous! That's almost funny! I've never heard of "Conscious Discipline" either but to me it sounds like the equivlant of no discipline at all! Just kids running wild with no consequences at all! And while these kids are running wild and not learning anything, the other calmer kids won't be learning anything either because of the constant disruption. What (probably childless) idiot came up with this one? I'm pretty darned old and I can't help but see the differences between schools when I was a kid and the way they are now. We were disciplined by our parents at home and most of us wouldn't dream of acting like that in a classroom. And if we ever did, there were consequences at school, and more consequences from our parents when we got home! We KNEW who was in charge and we KNEW that it wasn't us! We had 35, sometimes 40 kids in a classroom but it was calm and orderly. There was no such thing as teachers aids in a classroom, we barely had a library, of course there were no computers, and if there had been such a thing as pocket-sized calculators, we wouldn't have been allowed to use them. If you were capable of doing the work but chose not to, you failed and repeated the grade. When it was time for college,you either had the grades to get in or you didn't ... no such thing as remedial work of the things you should have learned in high school in the universities. And I can GUARANTEE you that we received a better education back then than my own kids did when they graduated in the 1990's. And my kids received a better education back in the 1990's than the kids who are graduating today. And when you compare what is different between now and back then, a huge part of it is discipline! The school staff is not in charge anymore, the kids are, and they know it! And they all suffer from it. [/QUOTE]
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