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<blockquote data-quote="buddy" data-source="post: 475008" data-attributes="member: 12886"><p>Nope. and research supports that. We are not allowed to even see ELL/ESL kids in speech/lang therapy unless there is a documented delay in first language (of course if they are multi-lingual having equal input then you have to look for other clues). Clearly kids with Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD), Down's etc. we would be able to see for their delayes regardless. It can be tricky for more subtle delays. </p><p>What you do see is exactly what has been discussed here. There is more to learn...THEY dont know they are all a bunch of different languages with rules etc. they just communicate in whatever setting, using whatever langauge works best. So there is overlap and mix ups until they grow older. At age four MOST kids have tons of grammar errors. vocabulary can be an issue but they do what your son does, they dont not communicate, they invent ways to get the point across. In toddler/early childhood years the most important thing is overall communication (of course there is vocab. and structure but they are not expected to be great at tenses, noun-verb matching etc.---always have kids who are excellent and others who are just on the opposite end of the normal curve). </p><p></p><p>Some of my friends use certain languages in certain settings. My Egyptian friends use Arabic at home but in school or at the pool it is usually English. (haha unless mad or kids really wanting something from mommy...and Arabic can sound angry a lot, they have taught me words and laugh because I dont use the right intonation...our state is known for what they call MN "nice" and we dont raise our tone as much as say East coast people. A disadvantage for my son is that we are too polite and round about...he does well with the NYC direct approach!) I am sure you all have heard especially second generation kids using english + another language in the same sentence. It is so funny sometimes when my friends catch themselves doing that. One family feels concerned because daugther one (age 12) is fluent in both languages and good in French too (from back in Egypt she was in a French immersion school) but daughter two is in grade 2 and her Arabic vocabulary is more like K. He is a doctor and she a stay at home mom, they are not worried but they do want her to continue Arabic since her whole family speaks it and they go to Egypt often (not now....they are a little worried, her sister's friend had a kid kidnapped). </p><p></p><p>But I really got off topic...had a difficult child moment, sorry. I worked at a school for the deaf based on English as a second langauge model. (With ASL as first langauge-we had to be fluent and could not use English in halls or public places. all staff meetings were in ASL (lots of Deaf staff so the opposite was not a choice anyway)) studies show that if a child is really solid in a first langauge, they learn more easily because the acquisition of concepts and social skills happens more easily. It then makes learning the other langauges much easier. They are both taught at the same time, just one is used as a primary communication source. Does that make sense? In any event, with the exception of true language disabiity issues, kids tend to develop good language skills in all of the languages eventually (well as good as the source that is teaching them, smile) I am not a linguist but have had experience and extra study in this area, so just sharing what I have been taught and experienced. As always, not the answer for everyone. by the way, both my egyptian friends who live there and the ones that live here say when they go visit eachother, their kids usually have a period of adjustment and growth in the cultural language that they are thrown into again. They have forgetten things then quickly catch up. by the end of summer the kids from Egypt were saying gonna, haveta etc. (going to, have to in MN and other states here) as well as idioms and current words....like Hey Dude! so cute.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buddy, post: 475008, member: 12886"] Nope. and research supports that. We are not allowed to even see ELL/ESL kids in speech/lang therapy unless there is a documented delay in first language (of course if they are multi-lingual having equal input then you have to look for other clues). Clearly kids with Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD), Down's etc. we would be able to see for their delayes regardless. It can be tricky for more subtle delays. What you do see is exactly what has been discussed here. There is more to learn...THEY dont know they are all a bunch of different languages with rules etc. they just communicate in whatever setting, using whatever langauge works best. So there is overlap and mix ups until they grow older. At age four MOST kids have tons of grammar errors. vocabulary can be an issue but they do what your son does, they dont not communicate, they invent ways to get the point across. In toddler/early childhood years the most important thing is overall communication (of course there is vocab. and structure but they are not expected to be great at tenses, noun-verb matching etc.---always have kids who are excellent and others who are just on the opposite end of the normal curve). Some of my friends use certain languages in certain settings. My Egyptian friends use Arabic at home but in school or at the pool it is usually English. (haha unless mad or kids really wanting something from mommy...and Arabic can sound angry a lot, they have taught me words and laugh because I dont use the right intonation...our state is known for what they call MN "nice" and we dont raise our tone as much as say East coast people. A disadvantage for my son is that we are too polite and round about...he does well with the NYC direct approach!) I am sure you all have heard especially second generation kids using english + another language in the same sentence. It is so funny sometimes when my friends catch themselves doing that. One family feels concerned because daugther one (age 12) is fluent in both languages and good in French too (from back in Egypt she was in a French immersion school) but daughter two is in grade 2 and her Arabic vocabulary is more like K. He is a doctor and she a stay at home mom, they are not worried but they do want her to continue Arabic since her whole family speaks it and they go to Egypt often (not now....they are a little worried, her sister's friend had a kid kidnapped). But I really got off topic...had a difficult child moment, sorry. I worked at a school for the deaf based on English as a second langauge model. (With ASL as first langauge-we had to be fluent and could not use English in halls or public places. all staff meetings were in ASL (lots of Deaf staff so the opposite was not a choice anyway)) studies show that if a child is really solid in a first langauge, they learn more easily because the acquisition of concepts and social skills happens more easily. It then makes learning the other langauges much easier. They are both taught at the same time, just one is used as a primary communication source. Does that make sense? In any event, with the exception of true language disabiity issues, kids tend to develop good language skills in all of the languages eventually (well as good as the source that is teaching them, smile) I am not a linguist but have had experience and extra study in this area, so just sharing what I have been taught and experienced. As always, not the answer for everyone. by the way, both my egyptian friends who live there and the ones that live here say when they go visit eachother, their kids usually have a period of adjustment and growth in the cultural language that they are thrown into again. They have forgetten things then quickly catch up. by the end of summer the kids from Egypt were saying gonna, haveta etc. (going to, have to in MN and other states here) as well as idioms and current words....like Hey Dude! so cute. [/QUOTE]
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