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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Suz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jane, Rob and I just had a discussion this week about lying.


I think it's probably the 2,345,845,921,000 time we've had this same conversation :hammer: .


I ask why he lies and he says, "Because you'd get mad if I told you the truth."


To which, I reply as I always have, "I get even angrier when you lie to me- it's a double whammy."


Well, I'm sure you've had the same conversation.


He admits that he doesn't want a girlfriend to lie to him...or a friend...or a parent...


...but he seemingly doesn't get why, if that is true for him, he thinks I would want a liar for a son.


 :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:


So I have basically given up ever believing him about anything. It makes me incredibly sad.


Suz </div></div>


Wow Suz.  You sure you weren't listening in on my conversation with my son a few weeks ago?  When I was reading the symptoms for ODD, one of them (I think) was "lying as a way of life".  difficult child 2 lies, even when there's no reason to lie.  Same thing - "you'd be even more angry if I told you the truth".  Rubbish.  I'd rather he tell me the truth and then give me the middle finger if I didn't like it, rather than lie. 


Therapist says that, at least, it's a bit of a good sign that he lies.  For my difficult child at least, doctor says it means that he still cares (somewhat)about what we think.  I don't like it, but I guess bitter water is better than nothing when you're thirsty.  I'd still rather have him defiant and truthful, though.


"My kid lies all the time" - seems like this is a rather large club for us parents, no?


Mikey


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