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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 185078" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Many of our kids, who are being treated for psychiatric problems, actually have Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) (Aspergers Syndrome or Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD)-not otherwise specified) and we beat our heads against a wall because the children just don't respond to "natural consequences" nor do they seem to "get it." So we think they are "bad" or "defiant" and we try harder disciplining, which also doesn't compute. The child is just socially clueless and poor at picking up social norms and they can't be scared into it because they don't "get it" in the first place. I'm convinced that many undiagnosed ASDers end up on drugs or in jail or both. If a child seems not to "get it" to me the natural thing is to run (not walk) to a neuropsychologist to see if more than a defiance or psychiatric problem is causing this disconnect. It isn't normal for kids not to "get It." There is a big difference between kids who are deliberately defiant an act brash and bold and kids who simply seem puzzled and too calm when told that what they have done is inappropriate. They may know on some level, but not understand on another. These socially clueless kids deserve a fresh evaluation, which a neuropsychologist is best at because of the intensity of the testing. If the child has executive function deficits because of Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) or for any reason (and many of these kids are brilliant--it's not IQ-related) then they will not "get it" no matter how badly they are punished. They need interventions badly so that they can learn how to understand life and social norms. Without these interventions, they just seem to do the same thing over and over again, never really catching on that they are crossing boundaries or doing the socially unacceptable thing or that they could get arrested. I had to work hard on this with my son, but it was worth the effort. And there was no way a regular therapist could have done the trick. Nor could we have done this alone, without Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) specialists helping us. </p><p>ODD just means "defiance." It is in every childhood disorder and in my opinion has little meaning. It rarely stands alone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 185078, member: 1550"] Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Many of our kids, who are being treated for psychiatric problems, actually have Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) (Aspergers Syndrome or Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD)-not otherwise specified) and we beat our heads against a wall because the children just don't respond to "natural consequences" nor do they seem to "get it." So we think they are "bad" or "defiant" and we try harder disciplining, which also doesn't compute. The child is just socially clueless and poor at picking up social norms and they can't be scared into it because they don't "get it" in the first place. I'm convinced that many undiagnosed ASDers end up on drugs or in jail or both. If a child seems not to "get it" to me the natural thing is to run (not walk) to a neuropsychologist to see if more than a defiance or psychiatric problem is causing this disconnect. It isn't normal for kids not to "get It." There is a big difference between kids who are deliberately defiant an act brash and bold and kids who simply seem puzzled and too calm when told that what they have done is inappropriate. They may know on some level, but not understand on another. These socially clueless kids deserve a fresh evaluation, which a neuropsychologist is best at because of the intensity of the testing. If the child has executive function deficits because of Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) or for any reason (and many of these kids are brilliant--it's not IQ-related) then they will not "get it" no matter how badly they are punished. They need interventions badly so that they can learn how to understand life and social norms. Without these interventions, they just seem to do the same thing over and over again, never really catching on that they are crossing boundaries or doing the socially unacceptable thing or that they could get arrested. I had to work hard on this with my son, but it was worth the effort. And there was no way a regular therapist could have done the trick. Nor could we have done this alone, without Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) specialists helping us. ODD just means "defiance." It is in every childhood disorder and in my opinion has little meaning. It rarely stands alone. [/QUOTE]
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