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<blockquote data-quote="Mattsmom277" data-source="post: 287292" data-attributes="member: 4264"><p>Thank you for the good thoughts. I'm in Ontario Canada. We have laws to lock up dangerous mentally ill people as well, in psychiatric hospital if they are danger to themselves or others.</p><p></p><p>Ironically, this nut and I share a family doctor. The doctors receptionist is also my superintendents sister in law. The superintendent called the receptionist at work, with me beside her at her house, and told this all to her, as well as sending photos of my S/O's injuries to her. I then spoke to receptionist and answered all her questions etc. On Thursday morning I was told by the receptionist that she hoped the doctor could help my S/O and I, and she'd call me back after lunch. After 5p.m. she phoned and explained she passed info along to the doctor and that for privacy reasons can tell me nothing. As this nut is their patient, he has rights (which I fully understand) and they can't even confirm he's a patient of theirs, let alone tell me anything personal. But wanted to assure me that the information from the superintendent and myself had been passed to the doctor. </p><p></p><p>The superintendent and I assumed that within a few hours at most, the police and ambulance would arrive to take him by force if needed to pyschiatric hospital. (this has been done before with this guy, although nobody knows why, other than he was deemed a danger to others. This has happened a few times over past 4 years)</p><p></p><p>This has not transpired. My doctor does no office hours Fridays during summer, so isn't back in his office until Monday. I thought perhaps Monday it would happen,t hat maybe doctor needs a judge signature to commit the man or something and that given it was end of business day etc, his hands are tied until MOnday morning.</p><p></p><p>However I have learned from police that all that the doctor must do is call the station, give his name and medical license number and call in what is called a N2 (I think thats the code). A N2 is a code for police to be permitted to take a person to psychiatric hospital for admission as a threat to others or themselves. Literally all the doctor has to do is call in with his license number, state he is phoning in this N2 regarding so and so (insert name) and give them the persons date of birth, age, address etc. Then the police must arrange enough officers as is deemed needed, and arrange for ambulance to be in attendance, and they can pick him up. They have even smashed his door in before to do this same process, as they knew he was inside but he would not open the door. </p><p></p><p>So now none of us have a clue why this hasn't been done. Even police keep expecting a call with a N2 order. Nope. </p><p></p><p>I am trying to rationalize this as that perhaps for reasons unknown to us, my doctor knows what he's doing??? But I also know that he is a mandatory police reporter under law since he's a doctor. If made aware someone is a danger to others, he MUST act. Even harder for me to accept, is that he's me and the kids doctor for 18 years now. If something happens and this N2 was not called in, say this guy somehow harms one of us. Actually anybody on our road, a stranger on the street, ANYONE. If that happens and this doctor has NOT acted, he can be sued within an inch of his life for ignoring a serious threat and his choice to not act therefore enabled this man to cause harm. </p><p></p><p>I am going to give benefit of the doubt that there is something I don't know that is causing this to not have happened yet. If Monday comes and goes, knowing my doctor is in his office and still nothing happens, I intend on Tuesday to phone and alert his receptionist that the kids and I no longer will be on their patient load and that should something happen to my family, that I will take legal action against the doctor for not following the laws in place that he can use to protect us and others from a obviously dangerous man. </p><p></p><p>The one police officer at one point was so angry at laws. That police must walk away, leave this man walk around and be a danger, and they are powerless to enforce a mandatory hospitalization. He was frustrated that only a doctor can order a psychiatric stay without consent of the patient. Some people have NO doctor to do so. Police should be able to do SOMETHING when they KNOW someone is dangerous. It is their job to protect the public yet they have their hands tied and have to knowingly allow someone like this man to live right behind my house. They know that even if somethign happens and 911 is called, any manner of horrible things can happen before a police car can arrive. too little too late. And the police have no power to step in and keep him away from her. Until his eviction, he has "rights" to be at his home he rents. </p><p></p><p>if this escalates, we plan to pack some things, pack up our cat, and take difficult child along and leave the house. go stay a couple hours away at a friends cabin until he is no longer on the road. </p><p></p><p>I am so frustrated and hurt that innocent people (my family, my road, strangers even) are at risk right now, and anything can happen with this guy. People know. the right people. The police. Court. Doctor. And yet there he is, right behind us. </p><p></p><p>I hope the doctor has a legit reason for a delay and on Monday enforces his responsability to protect people from a dangerous patient. I simply need to feel safer. I also can't handle the anger building that we are powerless and those with power are doing nothing. Probably out golfing with buddies, enjoying the summer day with his family and children, maybe enjoying their yard and having a bbq like normally happens here on weekends. While we sit feeling like a trapped hunted family of animals. I guess its a good analogy. We kind of feel thrown to the wolves (or in our case, WOLF singular)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mattsmom277, post: 287292, member: 4264"] Thank you for the good thoughts. I'm in Ontario Canada. We have laws to lock up dangerous mentally ill people as well, in psychiatric hospital if they are danger to themselves or others. Ironically, this nut and I share a family doctor. The doctors receptionist is also my superintendents sister in law. The superintendent called the receptionist at work, with me beside her at her house, and told this all to her, as well as sending photos of my S/O's injuries to her. I then spoke to receptionist and answered all her questions etc. On Thursday morning I was told by the receptionist that she hoped the doctor could help my S/O and I, and she'd call me back after lunch. After 5p.m. she phoned and explained she passed info along to the doctor and that for privacy reasons can tell me nothing. As this nut is their patient, he has rights (which I fully understand) and they can't even confirm he's a patient of theirs, let alone tell me anything personal. But wanted to assure me that the information from the superintendent and myself had been passed to the doctor. The superintendent and I assumed that within a few hours at most, the police and ambulance would arrive to take him by force if needed to pyschiatric hospital. (this has been done before with this guy, although nobody knows why, other than he was deemed a danger to others. This has happened a few times over past 4 years) This has not transpired. My doctor does no office hours Fridays during summer, so isn't back in his office until Monday. I thought perhaps Monday it would happen,t hat maybe doctor needs a judge signature to commit the man or something and that given it was end of business day etc, his hands are tied until MOnday morning. However I have learned from police that all that the doctor must do is call the station, give his name and medical license number and call in what is called a N2 (I think thats the code). A N2 is a code for police to be permitted to take a person to psychiatric hospital for admission as a threat to others or themselves. Literally all the doctor has to do is call in with his license number, state he is phoning in this N2 regarding so and so (insert name) and give them the persons date of birth, age, address etc. Then the police must arrange enough officers as is deemed needed, and arrange for ambulance to be in attendance, and they can pick him up. They have even smashed his door in before to do this same process, as they knew he was inside but he would not open the door. So now none of us have a clue why this hasn't been done. Even police keep expecting a call with a N2 order. Nope. I am trying to rationalize this as that perhaps for reasons unknown to us, my doctor knows what he's doing??? But I also know that he is a mandatory police reporter under law since he's a doctor. If made aware someone is a danger to others, he MUST act. Even harder for me to accept, is that he's me and the kids doctor for 18 years now. If something happens and this N2 was not called in, say this guy somehow harms one of us. Actually anybody on our road, a stranger on the street, ANYONE. If that happens and this doctor has NOT acted, he can be sued within an inch of his life for ignoring a serious threat and his choice to not act therefore enabled this man to cause harm. I am going to give benefit of the doubt that there is something I don't know that is causing this to not have happened yet. If Monday comes and goes, knowing my doctor is in his office and still nothing happens, I intend on Tuesday to phone and alert his receptionist that the kids and I no longer will be on their patient load and that should something happen to my family, that I will take legal action against the doctor for not following the laws in place that he can use to protect us and others from a obviously dangerous man. The one police officer at one point was so angry at laws. That police must walk away, leave this man walk around and be a danger, and they are powerless to enforce a mandatory hospitalization. He was frustrated that only a doctor can order a psychiatric stay without consent of the patient. Some people have NO doctor to do so. Police should be able to do SOMETHING when they KNOW someone is dangerous. It is their job to protect the public yet they have their hands tied and have to knowingly allow someone like this man to live right behind my house. They know that even if somethign happens and 911 is called, any manner of horrible things can happen before a police car can arrive. too little too late. And the police have no power to step in and keep him away from her. Until his eviction, he has "rights" to be at his home he rents. if this escalates, we plan to pack some things, pack up our cat, and take difficult child along and leave the house. go stay a couple hours away at a friends cabin until he is no longer on the road. I am so frustrated and hurt that innocent people (my family, my road, strangers even) are at risk right now, and anything can happen with this guy. People know. the right people. The police. Court. Doctor. And yet there he is, right behind us. I hope the doctor has a legit reason for a delay and on Monday enforces his responsability to protect people from a dangerous patient. I simply need to feel safer. I also can't handle the anger building that we are powerless and those with power are doing nothing. Probably out golfing with buddies, enjoying the summer day with his family and children, maybe enjoying their yard and having a bbq like normally happens here on weekends. While we sit feeling like a trapped hunted family of animals. I guess its a good analogy. We kind of feel thrown to the wolves (or in our case, WOLF singular) [/QUOTE]
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