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<blockquote data-quote="Mattsmom277" data-source="post: 287331" data-attributes="member: 4264"><p>Thank you all for your well wishes and thoughts etc.</p><p></p><p>To just try to address everyones stuff all together, I'll try to get it all in this post if I can remember it.</p><p></p><p>I agree its this way around the world. We have rights that we don't want to lose, yet in doing so for ourselves, everyone has those same rights, even psychotic dangerous people. That is how we see tragedies all the time in the news that could have been avoided because the danger was known and visible but the freedom of rights for that person or the flawed legal system, impairs those with power's ability to do anything.</p><p></p><p>I am increasingly upset that the doctor, who can in a single short phone call, have this guy locked up for psychiatric reasons. Here it is a inital 72 hour hold if this doctor calls police and requests the guy picked up and hospitalized. After that, the psychiatrist treating the person in hospital have a procedure every so many days after that 72 hours that requires they evaluate again and if the person is still considered a threat to themselves or others, they are held and reviewed so many days later (I think its 5 days apart, if I recall right from when I had to do this to my mom who is bipolar and was a danger to herself. She ended not being released for over 6 weeks since thats how long it was until the psychiatric doctor was assured she was no longer a risk to herself)</p><p></p><p>I cannot figure out why this wasn't done. I am reconsidering the wait to Tuesday idea to call the docs office. I think I'll do so Monday morning as soon as they open. I cannot at all afford a lawyer regarding the police mess up, nor the nutcase. I can however get free consultations at the local free legal clinic and will do so as soon as i can get an appointment to see them. Maybe they can help or suggest what I can do. </p><p></p><p>We are able to take S/O to ER, regular docs, a neuro or eye specialist etc with no worries. In Canada we have universal health care and we do not get bills for any docs or specialists appointments, tests (not even big pricey ones like MRI and CT scans etc). We also, despite him being laid off right now, have his company group benefits for any medications, etc that he may get if his eye doesn't heal right. We will be seeing his doctor again this coming week, but at any time if we think something is urgent or his eye is worsening, we can be at the ER in under 5 minutes by taxi as its very nearby. </p><p></p><p>Regarding charges against this guy, initially due to my S/O having no memory of anything at all, police had no clue what had happened. Even when contacted, we didnt' have pieces of the puzzle, including zero knowledge of the first attack in my yard. The second one was witnessed by myself and this couple we are just getting to know and by the time it escalated, the noise had drawn other neighbours attention. Initially police didn't have any reason to assume it was intended, premeditated etc. It appeared that he had lost his marbles for a bit, probably due to excessive drinking that night, he was very intoxicated. So it was treated serious but not for the true threat it was etc. So bail was granted etc. </p><p></p><p>It was quite a while before we learned from the new neighbour we didn't know before this, that she'd witnessed this in the front yard and learned about the first attack. We were so stunned to hear this at all. It is what made us wonder to motive, intent, and to start questioning our future safety and to wonder why us? Was it planned? etc</p><p></p><p>This lead us to talking to others on our street and even today new information is coming together to give us the total picture of the past 4 years of scheming and obsession and insight into the insanity of this guys thinking. Each new development and piece to the mystery, brings us closer to seeing just how much planning he used, patience, that it goes back to pretty much when he moved in all those years ago etc. The police are updated or check up with us for new details as days go by, while they continue investigation and try to figure out what they can charge him with in total. I do believe it will come to him having more and much more severe, charges laid. </p><p></p><p>We've in depth discussed with several officers and a staff seargant, how to keep us safe while he is still under this roof. They must build a proper case before they lay more charges, or risk the charges being dropped later and missing the chance to nail him. Without a solid case for a judge, should they charges too early, when they arrest him he AGAIN gets a bail hearing. They have to be able to convince a judge that bail is not acceptable. A difficult thing in this country where bail is handed out to psychos all the time. Its even worse in this town. We have a major psychiatric hospital servicing the entire northern part of the province, they even air ambulance in patients from up to 12 hours away. There are no other psychiatric hospitals in that depth of a radius, only temporary beds in regular hospitals. Nothing set up for really mentally ill people with longer term needs. They all get shipped here. Because of this, this town has alot of services for mentally ill people that most places don't have. Many patients after a few times shipped here, end up staying here and making this town their home because of access to doctors and special services etc. It is a contentous issue for majority of town residents, as we have an abnormal crime level, and we have a absurdly disproportionate level of severely mentally ill people here than most other places. I have for years been looking to move away again. This is my hometown but despite its natural beauty and wonderful things I love about it, you cannot go anywhere without seeing many very mentally ill patients. It is the norm, not the exception. Police become jaded I think, they respond to so many calls from mentally ill people that freak others out without really being a true threat, but who do frighten people. I think police burn out very quickly in this town. With so much mental illness comes a high level of crime but also addictions to drugs, alcohol etc. Our police force is much larger here than most places with the same population rate.</p><p></p><p>Until police can ensure this guy does NOT get bail, by having a rock solid case against bail to a judge, they are working with us to do everything we can to NOT give him cause to go into another rage (along with helping us try to be safe etc). Since they cannot force him to leave this property, only the owner via eviction can do so, if there is a chance he gets bailed out on new charges, that means he would in theory be released very angry again and even more fixated on revenge to me etc. I totally agree that until he's no longer right behind us, we are walking a very fine line with how to proceed. Police have been very open that they would lay a bunch of new charges days ago if we could KNOW that the judge would not grant bail. They have thought, as have we, that the doctor would have him hospitalized and while that bought us some time to feel safe and for the owner to complete the eviction process, the case could be made solid enough to have a judge deny bail and to prove serious charges that would hold up under a trial. </p><p></p><p>Again, this at this point, is in that docs hands. He can ensure no harm comes to us or anybody else while police continue piecing a case together. I wish the real world was like made for tv crime shows where police can whip a case together in a instant and so forth, but real life is how it is. A flawed system that often leads to tragedies we all cringe about when all over the news. </p><p></p><p>As for right this moment, we are all 3 of us at home. We're trying to stay calm and relax and just watch movies the rest of the evening. We have however been called by a neighbour to be told this guy is outside in his yard drinking and has been for several hours. So our guard is up even more knowing he's on a drinking binge right now. I will pray he drinks himself into passing out or not being able to function. That too is common with him. </p><p></p><p>As I said already, thank you all for sending the good thoughts. Special thank you for the special intentions card mentioned from church. That means alot. </p><p></p><p>Here's to hoping for a quiet night, where we can watch a movie, snuggle, try to put this aside and feel normal for a bit at least. And to a good peaceful nights sleep and no drama or anything worse than drama!!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mattsmom277, post: 287331, member: 4264"] Thank you all for your well wishes and thoughts etc. To just try to address everyones stuff all together, I'll try to get it all in this post if I can remember it. I agree its this way around the world. We have rights that we don't want to lose, yet in doing so for ourselves, everyone has those same rights, even psychotic dangerous people. That is how we see tragedies all the time in the news that could have been avoided because the danger was known and visible but the freedom of rights for that person or the flawed legal system, impairs those with power's ability to do anything. I am increasingly upset that the doctor, who can in a single short phone call, have this guy locked up for psychiatric reasons. Here it is a inital 72 hour hold if this doctor calls police and requests the guy picked up and hospitalized. After that, the psychiatrist treating the person in hospital have a procedure every so many days after that 72 hours that requires they evaluate again and if the person is still considered a threat to themselves or others, they are held and reviewed so many days later (I think its 5 days apart, if I recall right from when I had to do this to my mom who is bipolar and was a danger to herself. She ended not being released for over 6 weeks since thats how long it was until the psychiatric doctor was assured she was no longer a risk to herself) I cannot figure out why this wasn't done. I am reconsidering the wait to Tuesday idea to call the docs office. I think I'll do so Monday morning as soon as they open. I cannot at all afford a lawyer regarding the police mess up, nor the nutcase. I can however get free consultations at the local free legal clinic and will do so as soon as i can get an appointment to see them. Maybe they can help or suggest what I can do. We are able to take S/O to ER, regular docs, a neuro or eye specialist etc with no worries. In Canada we have universal health care and we do not get bills for any docs or specialists appointments, tests (not even big pricey ones like MRI and CT scans etc). We also, despite him being laid off right now, have his company group benefits for any medications, etc that he may get if his eye doesn't heal right. We will be seeing his doctor again this coming week, but at any time if we think something is urgent or his eye is worsening, we can be at the ER in under 5 minutes by taxi as its very nearby. Regarding charges against this guy, initially due to my S/O having no memory of anything at all, police had no clue what had happened. Even when contacted, we didnt' have pieces of the puzzle, including zero knowledge of the first attack in my yard. The second one was witnessed by myself and this couple we are just getting to know and by the time it escalated, the noise had drawn other neighbours attention. Initially police didn't have any reason to assume it was intended, premeditated etc. It appeared that he had lost his marbles for a bit, probably due to excessive drinking that night, he was very intoxicated. So it was treated serious but not for the true threat it was etc. So bail was granted etc. It was quite a while before we learned from the new neighbour we didn't know before this, that she'd witnessed this in the front yard and learned about the first attack. We were so stunned to hear this at all. It is what made us wonder to motive, intent, and to start questioning our future safety and to wonder why us? Was it planned? etc This lead us to talking to others on our street and even today new information is coming together to give us the total picture of the past 4 years of scheming and obsession and insight into the insanity of this guys thinking. Each new development and piece to the mystery, brings us closer to seeing just how much planning he used, patience, that it goes back to pretty much when he moved in all those years ago etc. The police are updated or check up with us for new details as days go by, while they continue investigation and try to figure out what they can charge him with in total. I do believe it will come to him having more and much more severe, charges laid. We've in depth discussed with several officers and a staff seargant, how to keep us safe while he is still under this roof. They must build a proper case before they lay more charges, or risk the charges being dropped later and missing the chance to nail him. Without a solid case for a judge, should they charges too early, when they arrest him he AGAIN gets a bail hearing. They have to be able to convince a judge that bail is not acceptable. A difficult thing in this country where bail is handed out to psychos all the time. Its even worse in this town. We have a major psychiatric hospital servicing the entire northern part of the province, they even air ambulance in patients from up to 12 hours away. There are no other psychiatric hospitals in that depth of a radius, only temporary beds in regular hospitals. Nothing set up for really mentally ill people with longer term needs. They all get shipped here. Because of this, this town has alot of services for mentally ill people that most places don't have. Many patients after a few times shipped here, end up staying here and making this town their home because of access to doctors and special services etc. It is a contentous issue for majority of town residents, as we have an abnormal crime level, and we have a absurdly disproportionate level of severely mentally ill people here than most other places. I have for years been looking to move away again. This is my hometown but despite its natural beauty and wonderful things I love about it, you cannot go anywhere without seeing many very mentally ill patients. It is the norm, not the exception. Police become jaded I think, they respond to so many calls from mentally ill people that freak others out without really being a true threat, but who do frighten people. I think police burn out very quickly in this town. With so much mental illness comes a high level of crime but also addictions to drugs, alcohol etc. Our police force is much larger here than most places with the same population rate. Until police can ensure this guy does NOT get bail, by having a rock solid case against bail to a judge, they are working with us to do everything we can to NOT give him cause to go into another rage (along with helping us try to be safe etc). Since they cannot force him to leave this property, only the owner via eviction can do so, if there is a chance he gets bailed out on new charges, that means he would in theory be released very angry again and even more fixated on revenge to me etc. I totally agree that until he's no longer right behind us, we are walking a very fine line with how to proceed. Police have been very open that they would lay a bunch of new charges days ago if we could KNOW that the judge would not grant bail. They have thought, as have we, that the doctor would have him hospitalized and while that bought us some time to feel safe and for the owner to complete the eviction process, the case could be made solid enough to have a judge deny bail and to prove serious charges that would hold up under a trial. Again, this at this point, is in that docs hands. He can ensure no harm comes to us or anybody else while police continue piecing a case together. I wish the real world was like made for tv crime shows where police can whip a case together in a instant and so forth, but real life is how it is. A flawed system that often leads to tragedies we all cringe about when all over the news. As for right this moment, we are all 3 of us at home. We're trying to stay calm and relax and just watch movies the rest of the evening. We have however been called by a neighbour to be told this guy is outside in his yard drinking and has been for several hours. So our guard is up even more knowing he's on a drinking binge right now. I will pray he drinks himself into passing out or not being able to function. That too is common with him. As I said already, thank you all for sending the good thoughts. Special thank you for the special intentions card mentioned from church. That means alot. Here's to hoping for a quiet night, where we can watch a movie, snuggle, try to put this aside and feel normal for a bit at least. And to a good peaceful nights sleep and no drama or anything worse than drama!!!! [/QUOTE]
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