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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 325724" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>That sounds like the IQscore you have is likely to be inaccurate, probably a gross underestimate. How accurate does it feel to you?</p><p></p><p>The problem with IQ testing where high schores are seen in some areas and low scores in others, is that thereshould never be a final score calculated. It simply isn't valid, because too wide a disparity means the test is no longer sufficiently accurwte. The wider the disparity between the sub-scores, the bigger the error bars, so you would get a score of 114, but you would have to label it as "plus or minus 30 points" which frankly makes it ludicrous.</p><p></p><p>We have been told tat the higher sub-scores in the skill areas indicate where the child SHOULD be, but the low score ares indicate where the child needs remedial help; and often with tat remedial help, the score can be lifted to eventually give a usable (and generally much higher and also more accurate) score.</p><p></p><p>A chils who is given an artificially low schore doe to wide disparity, is a child who is likely to be very frutrated and understimulated in some area,s and needing remdial help in other areas; but the slightly above average IQ score freezes the child out of both. "She is too smart to need remedial" coupled with "She's not that bright, she doesn't really need extension" can set te kid up for failure. Both those statements ar4e likely to be wrong.</p><p></p><p>The most neglected kids are the gifted-learning disabled. They're also the most misidentified.</p><p></p><p>Yourdaughter sounds to me likeshe would benefit from further detailed neuropsychologist investigation. The "defiance" you describesounds very familiar to me - we no longer consider it to be defiance, but a combination of other factors mostly coming from poor social skills and a different way of learning those social skills. Normal kids learn by osmosis - Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids do not, they need to be actively taught social skills as you would teach Science or Geography.</p><p></p><p>Two things to help you here:</p><p></p><p>1) Get your hands on "The Explosive Child" by Ross Greene. It will help you manage the behaviour in practical terms as well as help you understdn the reasons behind it.</p><p></p><p>2) go to <a href="http://www.childbrain.com" target="_blank">www.childbrain.com</a> and look for their online Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) questionnaire. You can't use it to officially diagnose but you can print out the result (whatever she scores) and take it to the doctor when you go, to indicate the areas of concern to you. You live ewith these problems and don't always recognise what is normal and what isn't - when you're constantly together, you accept stuff as OK when it may not be. There could be things you simply haven't thought of, that may have slipped below your radar. THis can help. It can also lead you to some useful solutions, some strageties to put in place to begin to reallty help her learn how to beahve more appropriately toward you. But you will need to modify your approach to her as well, so will your girlfriend. So you both need to really understand why difficult child is like she is, in order to help her move towards more acceptable behaviour.</p><p></p><p>Discipline won't work. Otherwise you wouldn't need us. So don't think you're a bad parent, this is not your fauly. Neither is it her fault. But tat doesn't mean it can't be helped. There is a lot of help, a lot of potential. Maybe far more than you realise.</p><p></p><p>let us know more, we can help. Get your girlfriend to lurk here too, what she reads may help her plus she may have some useful contributions.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 325724, member: 1991"] That sounds like the IQscore you have is likely to be inaccurate, probably a gross underestimate. How accurate does it feel to you? The problem with IQ testing where high schores are seen in some areas and low scores in others, is that thereshould never be a final score calculated. It simply isn't valid, because too wide a disparity means the test is no longer sufficiently accurwte. The wider the disparity between the sub-scores, the bigger the error bars, so you would get a score of 114, but you would have to label it as "plus or minus 30 points" which frankly makes it ludicrous. We have been told tat the higher sub-scores in the skill areas indicate where the child SHOULD be, but the low score ares indicate where the child needs remedial help; and often with tat remedial help, the score can be lifted to eventually give a usable (and generally much higher and also more accurate) score. A chils who is given an artificially low schore doe to wide disparity, is a child who is likely to be very frutrated and understimulated in some area,s and needing remdial help in other areas; but the slightly above average IQ score freezes the child out of both. "She is too smart to need remedial" coupled with "She's not that bright, she doesn't really need extension" can set te kid up for failure. Both those statements ar4e likely to be wrong. The most neglected kids are the gifted-learning disabled. They're also the most misidentified. Yourdaughter sounds to me likeshe would benefit from further detailed neuropsychologist investigation. The "defiance" you describesounds very familiar to me - we no longer consider it to be defiance, but a combination of other factors mostly coming from poor social skills and a different way of learning those social skills. Normal kids learn by osmosis - Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) kids do not, they need to be actively taught social skills as you would teach Science or Geography. Two things to help you here: 1) Get your hands on "The Explosive Child" by Ross Greene. It will help you manage the behaviour in practical terms as well as help you understdn the reasons behind it. 2) go to [url]www.childbrain.com[/url] and look for their online Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) questionnaire. You can't use it to officially diagnose but you can print out the result (whatever she scores) and take it to the doctor when you go, to indicate the areas of concern to you. You live ewith these problems and don't always recognise what is normal and what isn't - when you're constantly together, you accept stuff as OK when it may not be. There could be things you simply haven't thought of, that may have slipped below your radar. THis can help. It can also lead you to some useful solutions, some strageties to put in place to begin to reallty help her learn how to beahve more appropriately toward you. But you will need to modify your approach to her as well, so will your girlfriend. So you both need to really understand why difficult child is like she is, in order to help her move towards more acceptable behaviour. Discipline won't work. Otherwise you wouldn't need us. So don't think you're a bad parent, this is not your fauly. Neither is it her fault. But tat doesn't mean it can't be helped. There is a lot of help, a lot of potential. Maybe far more than you realise. let us know more, we can help. Get your girlfriend to lurk here too, what she reads may help her plus she may have some useful contributions. Marg [/QUOTE]
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