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<blockquote data-quote="buddy" data-source="post: 489881" data-attributes="member: 12886"><p>That permission to sign is the exact thing that the MN dept of ed changed after what happened to Q. the lawyer has now told the team that it is against the law (and I dont know if it is federal or state) to even put in crisis management that includes seclusion and other conditional procedures. </p><p></p><p>They told me that I couldn't have him at the school if I didn't sign it even though he had never needed it and it was not a part of his BIP. Then, once they had permission they used it. </p><p></p><p>There are procedures thru IDEA to end it... so the advocates told me to write a letter and not mail it because then days would pass, but to take it in and have it stamped and copied right there.... they were then not allowed to use any conditional procedures. </p><p></p><p>The law allows emergency use of conditional procedures for any child by trained personel if there is a situation where the child or others may be seriously hurt or serious property damage is going to be done. the law even defines serious. THAT have looked up and it is part of the federal law. So our attorney explained that having any kind of conditional procedure in Q's plan in this kind of setting was not allowed. (there are medical permissions etc. for a whole different level of care for a child...but not as a routine thing like they are asking you)</p><p></p><p>Like I said, this changed district policy in Q's case. </p><p></p><p>I think you are smart not to sign. I let them intimidate me into it...but they lied... we never do it but just in case...ummmmm not what happened and he was their littlest kid. The size of a preschooler.</p><p></p><p>That intimidation that they might call 911 instead of doing what they legally can do without your permission, gives me ptsd. Just saying.... could be fine but......</p><p></p><p>Their goal should be (and probably is, again, just my ptsd over this) to de-escalate things before they go that far. Their crisis team should be called to help calm things not to 'take control' etc. Did they describe how the team works? IF these incidents do happen then are the kids sent home or do they work through it?</p><p></p><p>That said, the things that seem really good... the ratio, the goals to work toward re-integration to a gen ed school (and if that is not possible it is fine, sometimes these schools are the ticket and really are "least restrictive" for a child....but the attitude that they are not being warehoused there to get them out of the gen ed setting is really good). The crisis team? Are they licensed teachers? or school police? In our schools we all had CPI training (any of us who worked with behaviors) and same at Q's school. I was told that the school they want Q at has a team like this too... they have the training to de-escalate things and unlike Q's school, a school like that probably has better experience using the tools in the way they are intended, to keep hands OFF of children. I was told of a child who ripped posters off a wall while our DAPE teacher was observing...they called the crisis team, evacuated the other kids (how often that happens I would want to know, and where do they go??) and she watched as they calmed him, then by the end he was laughing with them, he cleaned up, and they just went on. That does sound really good. (again, for me, that would be great for my son, but notgreat for him to SEE another child go thru because he would then DO it). </p><p></p><p>I am 100% not against this type of placement and think it is amazing for some kids. I just know now, that we have to go in with wide open eyes (as you have said, you have been snowed before0 and asking all the hard questions.... over and over , even after the placement.) If you can volunteer there even once a month...might be good to see how the inside works on a routine day.</p><p></p><p>If it seems like a good match, and you are not able to think of options, it could be good. How did you feel about the teacher he would have? THAT is a really huge piece.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buddy, post: 489881, member: 12886"] That permission to sign is the exact thing that the MN dept of ed changed after what happened to Q. the lawyer has now told the team that it is against the law (and I dont know if it is federal or state) to even put in crisis management that includes seclusion and other conditional procedures. They told me that I couldn't have him at the school if I didn't sign it even though he had never needed it and it was not a part of his BIP. Then, once they had permission they used it. There are procedures thru IDEA to end it... so the advocates told me to write a letter and not mail it because then days would pass, but to take it in and have it stamped and copied right there.... they were then not allowed to use any conditional procedures. The law allows emergency use of conditional procedures for any child by trained personel if there is a situation where the child or others may be seriously hurt or serious property damage is going to be done. the law even defines serious. THAT have looked up and it is part of the federal law. So our attorney explained that having any kind of conditional procedure in Q's plan in this kind of setting was not allowed. (there are medical permissions etc. for a whole different level of care for a child...but not as a routine thing like they are asking you) Like I said, this changed district policy in Q's case. I think you are smart not to sign. I let them intimidate me into it...but they lied... we never do it but just in case...ummmmm not what happened and he was their littlest kid. The size of a preschooler. That intimidation that they might call 911 instead of doing what they legally can do without your permission, gives me ptsd. Just saying.... could be fine but...... Their goal should be (and probably is, again, just my ptsd over this) to de-escalate things before they go that far. Their crisis team should be called to help calm things not to 'take control' etc. Did they describe how the team works? IF these incidents do happen then are the kids sent home or do they work through it? That said, the things that seem really good... the ratio, the goals to work toward re-integration to a gen ed school (and if that is not possible it is fine, sometimes these schools are the ticket and really are "least restrictive" for a child....but the attitude that they are not being warehoused there to get them out of the gen ed setting is really good). The crisis team? Are they licensed teachers? or school police? In our schools we all had CPI training (any of us who worked with behaviors) and same at Q's school. I was told that the school they want Q at has a team like this too... they have the training to de-escalate things and unlike Q's school, a school like that probably has better experience using the tools in the way they are intended, to keep hands OFF of children. I was told of a child who ripped posters off a wall while our DAPE teacher was observing...they called the crisis team, evacuated the other kids (how often that happens I would want to know, and where do they go??) and she watched as they calmed him, then by the end he was laughing with them, he cleaned up, and they just went on. That does sound really good. (again, for me, that would be great for my son, but notgreat for him to SEE another child go thru because he would then DO it). I am 100% not against this type of placement and think it is amazing for some kids. I just know now, that we have to go in with wide open eyes (as you have said, you have been snowed before0 and asking all the hard questions.... over and over , even after the placement.) If you can volunteer there even once a month...might be good to see how the inside works on a routine day. If it seems like a good match, and you are not able to think of options, it could be good. How did you feel about the teacher he would have? THAT is a really huge piece. [/QUOTE]
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