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<blockquote data-quote="Zardo" data-source="post: 461315" data-attributes="member: 12490"><p>Suspicious. I would say - having been through this myself - that he is trying to get good at the pipe because that is what kids use to smoke weed and he is trying to "get good at it". I know it sounds crazy - but you know how the mind works at this stage. And when he tells you things or admits to things, rest assured, it's not the whole truth - just the part of the truth that he thinks you can live with. We are currently in a good place after fighting the pot and tabacco battle with our teen for about a year and a half. The fact that you already caught him with pot once and now he is doing this - he is definately being influenced by that crowd and wanting acceptance. The clean test after admitting could be one of two things. Most likely, he is just getting started and maybe didn't do enough for a postive test or (scarier) could have been using K2 which is synthetic pot easily purshased for cheap over the internet, especially by kids whose parents are testing them because it doesn't not show up on a THC test. This is a WAY more dangerous substance. I would think he is either "practicing" or thinking that maybe he could still be accepted if he using tabacco in the pipe - but he needs to make sure he is experienced so that he looks "cool". My son's "practicing" and need to appear experienced took him down a very dark road to where he ended up spending 3 months in Wilderness becauase we could not reach him and get him to stop. Duriong this time, his life was spiraling out of control - failing at school - uncontrollable anger at home - got caught and arrested, etc, etc. All of the things you read about happenned - new friends, dropped all productive activities, school failure, anger, etc. One of the early warning signs was finding tobacco products around - cigarettes, dip, etc. Keep your eye on things and see how it goes. The bad news is that if this is what he is doing, it is VERY hard to intervene. In our public high school "everyone" does it. The percentages that they have out there that are like 30% are WAY off, just ask my son. The statistics have not caught up with today's young teens. The kids use cigarettes, chewing tabacco, vodka and pot - at or around school and school events. When we saw signs (similar to what you are seeing), we tried EVERYTHING - talking to him, taking privledges away, grounding, working with the school -nothing worked. We never gave up - had him in counseling the whole time - but it took Wilderness and complete removal from his peer setting for him to see what he was doing to himself. Even now, with him at a private school and attending aftercare programs, we are confident for now that he is in a good place, but cautiously optomistic. What I have learned is that it is hard to "stop" them from making bad choices, weather it's tobacco or pot, but you can lay down the rules in your home and react when you discover him breaking the rules. Our son has been told that if he goes down the same road, he will be going to a therapeutic boarding school for a year. Our message is "we will not let your ruin your life, period". We also will not live with a substance abusing verbally abusive teen in our home. While we fought the battle, his home behavior crossed so many lines, constance smoking in the house after we went to bed, refusing any and every home role, screaming and swearing as us and putting holes in the walls. I blame all of this on the pot - his dependance on it and the absolute FREAK OUT when we tried to stop him. Now that the pot is gone, things come up, but his reactions are more in the range of a normal teen,which we can work with. He has seen that we mean business and will not back down.</p><p></p><p>Be firm, watch carefully, set limits, don't lose your cool and DON"T BACK DOWN. Don't go crazy trying to stop him from making bad choices, because you can't - just react and be firm when he makes mistakes. Good luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zardo, post: 461315, member: 12490"] Suspicious. I would say - having been through this myself - that he is trying to get good at the pipe because that is what kids use to smoke weed and he is trying to "get good at it". I know it sounds crazy - but you know how the mind works at this stage. And when he tells you things or admits to things, rest assured, it's not the whole truth - just the part of the truth that he thinks you can live with. We are currently in a good place after fighting the pot and tabacco battle with our teen for about a year and a half. The fact that you already caught him with pot once and now he is doing this - he is definately being influenced by that crowd and wanting acceptance. The clean test after admitting could be one of two things. Most likely, he is just getting started and maybe didn't do enough for a postive test or (scarier) could have been using K2 which is synthetic pot easily purshased for cheap over the internet, especially by kids whose parents are testing them because it doesn't not show up on a THC test. This is a WAY more dangerous substance. I would think he is either "practicing" or thinking that maybe he could still be accepted if he using tabacco in the pipe - but he needs to make sure he is experienced so that he looks "cool". My son's "practicing" and need to appear experienced took him down a very dark road to where he ended up spending 3 months in Wilderness becauase we could not reach him and get him to stop. Duriong this time, his life was spiraling out of control - failing at school - uncontrollable anger at home - got caught and arrested, etc, etc. All of the things you read about happenned - new friends, dropped all productive activities, school failure, anger, etc. One of the early warning signs was finding tobacco products around - cigarettes, dip, etc. Keep your eye on things and see how it goes. The bad news is that if this is what he is doing, it is VERY hard to intervene. In our public high school "everyone" does it. The percentages that they have out there that are like 30% are WAY off, just ask my son. The statistics have not caught up with today's young teens. The kids use cigarettes, chewing tabacco, vodka and pot - at or around school and school events. When we saw signs (similar to what you are seeing), we tried EVERYTHING - talking to him, taking privledges away, grounding, working with the school -nothing worked. We never gave up - had him in counseling the whole time - but it took Wilderness and complete removal from his peer setting for him to see what he was doing to himself. Even now, with him at a private school and attending aftercare programs, we are confident for now that he is in a good place, but cautiously optomistic. What I have learned is that it is hard to "stop" them from making bad choices, weather it's tobacco or pot, but you can lay down the rules in your home and react when you discover him breaking the rules. Our son has been told that if he goes down the same road, he will be going to a therapeutic boarding school for a year. Our message is "we will not let your ruin your life, period". We also will not live with a substance abusing verbally abusive teen in our home. While we fought the battle, his home behavior crossed so many lines, constance smoking in the house after we went to bed, refusing any and every home role, screaming and swearing as us and putting holes in the walls. I blame all of this on the pot - his dependance on it and the absolute FREAK OUT when we tried to stop him. Now that the pot is gone, things come up, but his reactions are more in the range of a normal teen,which we can work with. He has seen that we mean business and will not back down. Be firm, watch carefully, set limits, don't lose your cool and DON"T BACK DOWN. Don't go crazy trying to stop him from making bad choices, because you can't - just react and be firm when he makes mistakes. Good luck. [/QUOTE]
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