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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 381048" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>I agree. If I were in her shoes and had the chance to make money for my family this way I would do it.</p><p></p><p>And used undies does not necessarily mean soiled undies. Despite what a lot of people say, she has more class than that.</p><p></p><p>Yes, she has made some bad decisions. The result of some of those decisions has led to the media being interested in her, but that is not what she did what she did. She has agreed that she has made some bad choices, so she is ahead of the game as far as I am concerned, compared to other people who merrily keep making the same mistakes and never admit to being fallible. Other people make bad decisions too and we are more forgiving. </p><p></p><p>I admit to being curious about Nadia Sulman and how she and her family are coping. I believe she has changed a great deal, although there is undoubtedly a lot of room for improvement. But people can't change completely, overnight. The thing is, she is making an effort.</p><p></p><p>My brother made a lot of money over a number of years, through a mixture of luck, good investment and hard work. He took a lot of risks and we watched them pay off, despite our concerns. Then suddenly a few risks blew up in his face and he lost everything. Absolutely everything, including his own home, which he had stupidly mortgaged to get himself out of a financial hole. If he had not mortgaged the house, he could have used it to trade out, or kept it to live in despite bankruptcy. But it all went. That was nearly 30 years ago now, and he is still struggling financially. We can look back and criticise his risky choices and stupid decisions. But he is still my brother and I love him a lot. I worry over his obsession to make back his fortune, and wish he would just let go and be grateful for what he has. But at some level, he is driven. It is inside him. I can't change that. I have to love him knowing he is driven and accept that about him.</p><p></p><p>I think the same applies to Nadia Sulman. She has made mistakes but she loves her kids. She mightn't be the best mother in the world, but she wants to be and I believe is trying to be. I think this is very enterprising of her and the unique situation she has found herself in makes it possible. I actually would think less of her if she failed to take full advantage of her opportunities to take care of her family.</p><p></p><p>In years past, the state was far too ready to step in. Remember the story of the Dionne quintuplets - the state stepped in and just took over, then franchised the kids.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets</a></p><p>With Nadia Sulman, there is no way she can avoid scrutiny, therefore no way she can do anything to those kids that the welfare authorities would not like. If there are grounds, authorities will pounce. They have not. But you can bet they are watching. So if the vigilance of official scrutiny makes Nadia Sulman a good mother, so what? As long as she is a good enough mother to be allowed to keep her children, then she should be allowed to keep her children.</p><p></p><p>How many of us have had the scrutiny of welfare authorities breathing down our necks, and resented it? Often with reason. </p><p></p><p>I hope she can make enough money at this sale, but I do worry that if such a need has happened, what is to prevent the financial problems form continuing? She would have a lot of costs to cover, especially given some of her kids have serious ongoing expensive health issues.</p><p></p><p>We do need to give her a break, I feel. Even on this. As I said, I would be doing exactly this, in her shoes. It's a brilliant way to declutter as well as make some money for the family.</p><p></p><p>But donna, I also did giggle over the maternity tent comment. Although when your preggy belly is that big, you tend to push the undies down under the belly instead of trying to stretch them over the top. If you try to cover the belly, the undies just go kazang! back under anyway. </p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 381048, member: 1991"] I agree. If I were in her shoes and had the chance to make money for my family this way I would do it. And used undies does not necessarily mean soiled undies. Despite what a lot of people say, she has more class than that. Yes, she has made some bad decisions. The result of some of those decisions has led to the media being interested in her, but that is not what she did what she did. She has agreed that she has made some bad choices, so she is ahead of the game as far as I am concerned, compared to other people who merrily keep making the same mistakes and never admit to being fallible. Other people make bad decisions too and we are more forgiving. I admit to being curious about Nadia Sulman and how she and her family are coping. I believe she has changed a great deal, although there is undoubtedly a lot of room for improvement. But people can't change completely, overnight. The thing is, she is making an effort. My brother made a lot of money over a number of years, through a mixture of luck, good investment and hard work. He took a lot of risks and we watched them pay off, despite our concerns. Then suddenly a few risks blew up in his face and he lost everything. Absolutely everything, including his own home, which he had stupidly mortgaged to get himself out of a financial hole. If he had not mortgaged the house, he could have used it to trade out, or kept it to live in despite bankruptcy. But it all went. That was nearly 30 years ago now, and he is still struggling financially. We can look back and criticise his risky choices and stupid decisions. But he is still my brother and I love him a lot. I worry over his obsession to make back his fortune, and wish he would just let go and be grateful for what he has. But at some level, he is driven. It is inside him. I can't change that. I have to love him knowing he is driven and accept that about him. I think the same applies to Nadia Sulman. She has made mistakes but she loves her kids. She mightn't be the best mother in the world, but she wants to be and I believe is trying to be. I think this is very enterprising of her and the unique situation she has found herself in makes it possible. I actually would think less of her if she failed to take full advantage of her opportunities to take care of her family. In years past, the state was far too ready to step in. Remember the story of the Dionne quintuplets - the state stepped in and just took over, then franchised the kids. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets[/url] With Nadia Sulman, there is no way she can avoid scrutiny, therefore no way she can do anything to those kids that the welfare authorities would not like. If there are grounds, authorities will pounce. They have not. But you can bet they are watching. So if the vigilance of official scrutiny makes Nadia Sulman a good mother, so what? As long as she is a good enough mother to be allowed to keep her children, then she should be allowed to keep her children. How many of us have had the scrutiny of welfare authorities breathing down our necks, and resented it? Often with reason. I hope she can make enough money at this sale, but I do worry that if such a need has happened, what is to prevent the financial problems form continuing? She would have a lot of costs to cover, especially given some of her kids have serious ongoing expensive health issues. We do need to give her a break, I feel. Even on this. As I said, I would be doing exactly this, in her shoes. It's a brilliant way to declutter as well as make some money for the family. But donna, I also did giggle over the maternity tent comment. Although when your preggy belly is that big, you tend to push the undies down under the belly instead of trying to stretch them over the top. If you try to cover the belly, the undies just go kazang! back under anyway. Marg [/QUOTE]
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