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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 373290" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>I'd say there was fault all round here.</p><p></p><p>Yes, you should have had something in writing over the change, to back you up. You will next time, I'm sure. </p><p></p><p>She MUST have checked her pay slips and her bank statements. We all know this. Yes, she is responsible for it going on for so long. And as for not putting in a tax return - she would be the beneficiary of the extra tax paid, so that has to go back too.</p><p></p><p>It sounds to me like she was in desperate financial state (as so many of us have been) and kept quiet for a while. But her conscience has got to her and she is 'fessing up in the only way she feels she can, and save face.</p><p></p><p>I wouldn't dump her in it, unless it becomes a case of her or you. But I would watch her pay more carefully in future. I wouldn't say she should lose her job, either - who knows what we would have done, if we were also in such desperate straits? Forgive, but not forget. And yes, the debt has to be repaid. At the very least, every extra cent she has got has to be paid back. Whether added costs should come out of her pay - I don't think so. Out of your pay? Again, I don't think so. Out of the external bookkeeping company - possibly. This is why they would carry insurance, for tis kind of mistake. But without that email you would have a hard time proving that you did tell them of the change.</p><p></p><p>As for you - 'fess up. But do make it clear tat you do recall talking about tis change perhaps to the bookkeeper. But you can't find an email that you sent to confirm it, and without that emali, it will be hard to prove whether the bookkeeper is responsible for the glitch going on, or you.</p><p></p><p>I don't think this is a job-losing situation, but the sooner you sort it out and then give your boss the full story, the better. If you present it with "This is how far we have now fixed it up: it will go some way towards negating your part in this.</p><p></p><p>As for this woman - we might suspect stuff, but we can't prove it. Give her a break. But don't trust her too much unless you're sure she's had a good scare.</p><p></p><p>I've had similar sorts of problems with an office I was helping manage at one stage. I was given some important computer disks and told the secretary to please post them to a certain person. I remember giving them to her, I remember writing down the address. I even remember what colour paper I wrote it on. But later on when the disks failed to arrive, the secretary claimed I never gave them to her. Valuable work went permanently missing and my name was mud, because I had no proof. I know the secretary remembered, but I'm certain she failed to post them as directed (she was lazy and had lost other stuff). It was early days for emails, which is why I didn't have an email record. besides, email files were being deleted by other office staff in the early days (also wrong - I stopped that when I realised, but we still got sabotaged by a board member who had the habit of writing vitriolic emails, then sending his wife in to delete all related files).</p><p></p><p>In the workplace, crud happens and people cover their own rear ends. Protect yourself and maybe watch some episodes of "The Apprentice". I was watching the British one last night (I believe it is the original - the guy is far more hard-nosed and far less a showman, than Donald Trump) and it showed how you have to defend yourself, but also not be too hasty about shafting others unless they deserve it. And also avoid deliberate sabotage of others. Not nice. not even in fun. An extra person got sacked because of it. Enlightening. I wish I'd seen this 20 years ago!</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 373290, member: 1991"] I'd say there was fault all round here. Yes, you should have had something in writing over the change, to back you up. You will next time, I'm sure. She MUST have checked her pay slips and her bank statements. We all know this. Yes, she is responsible for it going on for so long. And as for not putting in a tax return - she would be the beneficiary of the extra tax paid, so that has to go back too. It sounds to me like she was in desperate financial state (as so many of us have been) and kept quiet for a while. But her conscience has got to her and she is 'fessing up in the only way she feels she can, and save face. I wouldn't dump her in it, unless it becomes a case of her or you. But I would watch her pay more carefully in future. I wouldn't say she should lose her job, either - who knows what we would have done, if we were also in such desperate straits? Forgive, but not forget. And yes, the debt has to be repaid. At the very least, every extra cent she has got has to be paid back. Whether added costs should come out of her pay - I don't think so. Out of your pay? Again, I don't think so. Out of the external bookkeeping company - possibly. This is why they would carry insurance, for tis kind of mistake. But without that email you would have a hard time proving that you did tell them of the change. As for you - 'fess up. But do make it clear tat you do recall talking about tis change perhaps to the bookkeeper. But you can't find an email that you sent to confirm it, and without that emali, it will be hard to prove whether the bookkeeper is responsible for the glitch going on, or you. I don't think this is a job-losing situation, but the sooner you sort it out and then give your boss the full story, the better. If you present it with "This is how far we have now fixed it up: it will go some way towards negating your part in this. As for this woman - we might suspect stuff, but we can't prove it. Give her a break. But don't trust her too much unless you're sure she's had a good scare. I've had similar sorts of problems with an office I was helping manage at one stage. I was given some important computer disks and told the secretary to please post them to a certain person. I remember giving them to her, I remember writing down the address. I even remember what colour paper I wrote it on. But later on when the disks failed to arrive, the secretary claimed I never gave them to her. Valuable work went permanently missing and my name was mud, because I had no proof. I know the secretary remembered, but I'm certain she failed to post them as directed (she was lazy and had lost other stuff). It was early days for emails, which is why I didn't have an email record. besides, email files were being deleted by other office staff in the early days (also wrong - I stopped that when I realised, but we still got sabotaged by a board member who had the habit of writing vitriolic emails, then sending his wife in to delete all related files). In the workplace, crud happens and people cover their own rear ends. Protect yourself and maybe watch some episodes of "The Apprentice". I was watching the British one last night (I believe it is the original - the guy is far more hard-nosed and far less a showman, than Donald Trump) and it showed how you have to defend yourself, but also not be too hasty about shafting others unless they deserve it. And also avoid deliberate sabotage of others. Not nice. not even in fun. An extra person got sacked because of it. Enlightening. I wish I'd seen this 20 years ago! Marg [/QUOTE]
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