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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 308471" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>I'm on the same page with you, Sharon. The reality is that if difficult child did ever threaten someone at school, he would be expelled AND go back to Department of Juvenile Justice, not alternative school. If the school was so afraid of him that they didn't want him in mainstream, then he would go to alternative. This is what makes no sense- yes, it's a money thing but not logical to me. the way the current sd personnel (people in the current school, not the sd psychiatric) play a part is that they are the ones who put the transfer package together and make a recommendaation. This will be his behavior case manager at school who is on the iep team, but she works more with the guidance counselor and teachers, all of whom will have input and want difficult child in mainstream and have recommended him for advanced classes. The sd psychiatric's report, regardless of how she's approaching it, was for IEP purposes so it might not even be looked at by the people at the next sd who are determining if difficult child is allowed to go to mainstream or not. The behavior people (like PO, sd people in charge of disciplinary removals/placements) usually couldn't care less about what the IEP says, right? So I'm thinking these people have the meeting with me and difficult child in attendance, see the sd's transfer package and recommendation to have difficult child in mainstream, he enrolls in regular school, then Special Education people at that school read the sd psychiatric's report in preparation for an IEP meeting. If they wanted to chhange placement at that point, they would only be able to do it thru the IEP, unless they started the scrutinizing to look for anything they can to try to get difficult child in alternative school.</p><p></p><p>My question about Residential Treatment Center (RTC) is more for planning for difficult child's release. If I respond to them by saying "ok, difficult child is in Department of Juvenile Justice now, if you all (BSU and SD people) think difficult child is not ready to live in the community yet, then Department of Juvenile Justice can figure out where he goes. IOW, being a dept of corrections school, they have to report to the Department of Juvenile Justice people if they think difficult child is still a threat. So I'm wondering if I should confront this issue now and tell the sd psychiatric if she wants to have the sd do a risk assessment, go for it. If the Department of Juvenile Justice school determines difficult child is a risk at school, I'm not sure Department of Juvenile Justice can justify sending him straight home because difficult child's offense was pulling a knife on me- if the sd is afraid of him, then Department of Juvenile Justice best be doing an assessment to see if he's still a threat to me. Again- I don't think a verbal threat several years ago that no action was taken on is the same as pulling a knife out on someone. How can Department of Juvenile Justice take a position that "he pulled a knife on his mom but we think he's ready to go home to her now, but now he's a risk at school"? No, the sd won't pay for Residential Treatment Center (RTC)- it's up to Department of Juvenile Justice and the Department of Juvenile Justice incarceration facilities are considered Residential Treatment Center (RTC)'s- which means difficult child would not be released or the BSU people would convince the sd psychiatric that difficult child is not a threat. Normally a risk assessment includes sd and police- in Department of Juvenile Justice the agreement would have to be between sd psychiatric and BSU. </p><p></p><p>I don't think the Department of Juvenile Justice people are going to distinguish who difficult child is threat to but if they did, they would be looking at who difficult child committed an offense against in the first place. For instance, if a teen sexually assaulted a sibling and was sent to Department of Juvenile Justice and went to school while there, if the school psychiatric was writing that she's afraid the kid will sexually assault a kid at school, Department of Juvenile Justice cannot justify releasing the kid and sending him back home where the victimized sibling lives- I would think if the parent pushes it especially, that the Department of Juvenile Justice school and bsu (behavioral staff of Department of Juvenile Justice) would have to come to an agreement- either the kid is no longer a risk or he still is. Now, the next sd doesn't have to agree with that, but they are more likely to accept it if there has been an assessment and agreement before the kid is released.</p><p></p><p>maybe I should talk to difficult child's case manager at Department of Juvenile Justice about this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 308471, member: 3699"] I'm on the same page with you, Sharon. The reality is that if difficult child did ever threaten someone at school, he would be expelled AND go back to Department of Juvenile Justice, not alternative school. If the school was so afraid of him that they didn't want him in mainstream, then he would go to alternative. This is what makes no sense- yes, it's a money thing but not logical to me. the way the current sd personnel (people in the current school, not the sd psychiatric) play a part is that they are the ones who put the transfer package together and make a recommendaation. This will be his behavior case manager at school who is on the iep team, but she works more with the guidance counselor and teachers, all of whom will have input and want difficult child in mainstream and have recommended him for advanced classes. The sd psychiatric's report, regardless of how she's approaching it, was for IEP purposes so it might not even be looked at by the people at the next sd who are determining if difficult child is allowed to go to mainstream or not. The behavior people (like PO, sd people in charge of disciplinary removals/placements) usually couldn't care less about what the IEP says, right? So I'm thinking these people have the meeting with me and difficult child in attendance, see the sd's transfer package and recommendation to have difficult child in mainstream, he enrolls in regular school, then Special Education people at that school read the sd psychiatric's report in preparation for an IEP meeting. If they wanted to chhange placement at that point, they would only be able to do it thru the IEP, unless they started the scrutinizing to look for anything they can to try to get difficult child in alternative school. My question about Residential Treatment Center (RTC) is more for planning for difficult child's release. If I respond to them by saying "ok, difficult child is in Department of Juvenile Justice now, if you all (BSU and SD people) think difficult child is not ready to live in the community yet, then Department of Juvenile Justice can figure out where he goes. IOW, being a dept of corrections school, they have to report to the Department of Juvenile Justice people if they think difficult child is still a threat. So I'm wondering if I should confront this issue now and tell the sd psychiatric if she wants to have the sd do a risk assessment, go for it. If the Department of Juvenile Justice school determines difficult child is a risk at school, I'm not sure Department of Juvenile Justice can justify sending him straight home because difficult child's offense was pulling a knife on me- if the sd is afraid of him, then Department of Juvenile Justice best be doing an assessment to see if he's still a threat to me. Again- I don't think a verbal threat several years ago that no action was taken on is the same as pulling a knife out on someone. How can Department of Juvenile Justice take a position that "he pulled a knife on his mom but we think he's ready to go home to her now, but now he's a risk at school"? No, the sd won't pay for Residential Treatment Center (RTC)- it's up to Department of Juvenile Justice and the Department of Juvenile Justice incarceration facilities are considered Residential Treatment Center (RTC)'s- which means difficult child would not be released or the BSU people would convince the sd psychiatric that difficult child is not a threat. Normally a risk assessment includes sd and police- in Department of Juvenile Justice the agreement would have to be between sd psychiatric and BSU. I don't think the Department of Juvenile Justice people are going to distinguish who difficult child is threat to but if they did, they would be looking at who difficult child committed an offense against in the first place. For instance, if a teen sexually assaulted a sibling and was sent to Department of Juvenile Justice and went to school while there, if the school psychiatric was writing that she's afraid the kid will sexually assault a kid at school, Department of Juvenile Justice cannot justify releasing the kid and sending him back home where the victimized sibling lives- I would think if the parent pushes it especially, that the Department of Juvenile Justice school and bsu (behavioral staff of Department of Juvenile Justice) would have to come to an agreement- either the kid is no longer a risk or he still is. Now, the next sd doesn't have to agree with that, but they are more likely to accept it if there has been an assessment and agreement before the kid is released. maybe I should talk to difficult child's case manager at Department of Juvenile Justice about this. [/QUOTE]
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