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Out of curiosity--ESY for the tweens/teens anyone?
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<blockquote data-quote="buddy" data-source="post: 512920" data-attributes="member: 12886"><p>LOL YES..........Q always goes to ESY...... when I took him out though?? When he was in 1st grade... Most districts here do not do a wonderful job of it. As an IEP team member I have been on many teams deciding for ESY. It is supposed to be individualized and based not only on whether a child regresses beyond the three months off (most kids have some amount of regression and time to recoup) but if it would interrupt emerging skills and that is often not looked at. I took Q out of one year because he ended up just hiding under a teachers desk daily. they just ran it like summer school and threw kids from all disabilities into one class and had a general new Special Education teacher with all of them. She didnt even get his IEP until a week after ESY started. The next year he got individual teaching. She was a deaf/hard of hearing teacher but she came to our house, took him to the park, worked on social skills, read stories etc. Much more where he was functioning at that time. The district we are in now runs it like a summer school too. Takes all the kids (of course I dont know about parents who fight for some unique things...just in general) and they go to one of the schools in the district. they do separate by programs though so Q is in a class (which DOES get smaller each year as he gets older) with only other CIP kids around his age. Last year they kept his same behavior team based there, hired a specially trained aide for him and he did amazing... I BEGGED for them to bring that aide to his middle school to continue the progress, but they wouldn't. I swear that is the one evidence based thing that really messed this up that they can't deny. Their own data shows that the well trained behavior aids that were fresh/not burned out were a success...he got work done and was able to stay "green" etc. but I digress.</p><p></p><p>I put the MN interpretation of ESY rules. Teens tend not to want to go anymore. The D/HH school I worked at could easily do ESY and it was individualized because we kept the same program as they had in the school year going....(we always did more fun activities though).</p><p></p><p>Most do a token amount, and it is true, it is not really something that does anything but occupy them for kids who are older especially. I personally have not felt I want the schools to do all of the services for my son anyway. I think it is important for them to have other experiences and therapies and peer contacts etc. Just MHO. I think your psychiatrist just probably does not understand what happens in real life with ESY. It seems like, from what you describe, your daughter would not even actually qualify (though many districts are pretty flexible on it). Maybe more typical summer school, but ESY??? (I sure as heck would not have wanted to go to any summer school of any kind as a tween or teen, my cousins school district they all went to summer school and loved it though--big difference if everyone goes and you are left out). I think some places any summer school has a stigma of being for kids who didnt cut it during the year.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.pacer.org/parent/php/PHP-a12.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.pacer.org/parent/php/PHP-a12.pdf</a></p><p>This is from a more simplistic IEP guide in MN....(based on federal of course so much of it is the same everywhere, MN typically puts in extra services though in practice accessing those depends on the personalities in the districts of course).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buddy, post: 512920, member: 12886"] LOL YES..........Q always goes to ESY...... when I took him out though?? When he was in 1st grade... Most districts here do not do a wonderful job of it. As an IEP team member I have been on many teams deciding for ESY. It is supposed to be individualized and based not only on whether a child regresses beyond the three months off (most kids have some amount of regression and time to recoup) but if it would interrupt emerging skills and that is often not looked at. I took Q out of one year because he ended up just hiding under a teachers desk daily. they just ran it like summer school and threw kids from all disabilities into one class and had a general new Special Education teacher with all of them. She didnt even get his IEP until a week after ESY started. The next year he got individual teaching. She was a deaf/hard of hearing teacher but she came to our house, took him to the park, worked on social skills, read stories etc. Much more where he was functioning at that time. The district we are in now runs it like a summer school too. Takes all the kids (of course I dont know about parents who fight for some unique things...just in general) and they go to one of the schools in the district. they do separate by programs though so Q is in a class (which DOES get smaller each year as he gets older) with only other CIP kids around his age. Last year they kept his same behavior team based there, hired a specially trained aide for him and he did amazing... I BEGGED for them to bring that aide to his middle school to continue the progress, but they wouldn't. I swear that is the one evidence based thing that really messed this up that they can't deny. Their own data shows that the well trained behavior aids that were fresh/not burned out were a success...he got work done and was able to stay "green" etc. but I digress. I put the MN interpretation of ESY rules. Teens tend not to want to go anymore. The D/HH school I worked at could easily do ESY and it was individualized because we kept the same program as they had in the school year going....(we always did more fun activities though). Most do a token amount, and it is true, it is not really something that does anything but occupy them for kids who are older especially. I personally have not felt I want the schools to do all of the services for my son anyway. I think it is important for them to have other experiences and therapies and peer contacts etc. Just MHO. I think your psychiatrist just probably does not understand what happens in real life with ESY. It seems like, from what you describe, your daughter would not even actually qualify (though many districts are pretty flexible on it). Maybe more typical summer school, but ESY??? (I sure as heck would not have wanted to go to any summer school of any kind as a tween or teen, my cousins school district they all went to summer school and loved it though--big difference if everyone goes and you are left out). I think some places any summer school has a stigma of being for kids who didnt cut it during the year. [URL]http://www.pacer.org/parent/php/PHP-a12.pdf[/URL] This is from a more simplistic IEP guide in MN....(based on federal of course so much of it is the same everywhere, MN typically puts in extra services though in practice accessing those depends on the personalities in the districts of course). [/QUOTE]
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