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<blockquote data-quote="TerryJ2" data-source="post: 150026" data-attributes="member: 3419"><p>Allan, Kant's philosphy cannot be used with-most of our g'sfg because they have not yet learned to harness their ability to reason. You must TEACH an individual to THINK. Without that, there can be no discussion of morality at all. You must also teach them the parameters of their society, be it family or society at large. It follows that Kant's philosophy is only useful for older, more stable, rational children.</p><p> </p><p>To quote, "Kant argued that moral requirements are based on a standard of rationality he dubbed the 'Categorical Imperative' (CI). Immorality thus involves a violation of the CI and is thereby irrational. Other philosophers, such as Locke and Hobbes, had also argued that moral requirements are based on standards of rationality. However, these standards were either desire-based instrumental principles of rationality or based on <em>sui generis</em> rational intuitions. Kant agreed with many of his predecessors that an analysis of practical reason will reveal only the requirement that rational agents must conform to instrumental principles. Yet he argued that conformity to the CI (a non-instrumental principle) and hence to moral requirements themselves, can nevertheless be shown to be essentKant argued that moral requirements are based on a standard of rationality he dubbed the 'Categorical Imperative' (CI). Immorality thus involves a violation of the CI and is thereby irrational. Other philosophers, such as Locke and Hobbes, had also argued that moral requirements are based on standards of rationality. </p><p> </p><p>The quotation you chose, which insists that cause and effect are useless, or reward and punishment are invalid, flies in the face of nearly all famous psychiatrists and philosophers who use developmental guidelines. One famous name that comes to mind is Erik Erikson, who actually assigned ages appropriate for certain stages, but which I have omitted here because they are only guidelines and it is clear that many of our g'sfg spend years in certain stages before they can advance to the next stage.</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #003333">1. </span></strong><strong><span style="color: #cc6666">Ego Development Outcome: Trust vs. Mistrust</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic strength: Drive and Hope</strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #003333">2. </span></strong><strong><span style="color: #cc6666">Ego Development Outcome: Autonomy vs. Shame</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strengths: Self-control, Courage, and Will</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #003333"><strong>3. </strong></span><strong><span style="color: #cc6666">Ego Development Outcome: <strong>Initiative vs. Guilt</strong></span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strength: Purpose</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #003333"><strong>4. </strong></span><strong><span style="color: #cc6666">Ego Development Outcome: Industry vs. Inferiority</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strengths: Method and Competence</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: #003333"><strong>5. </strong></span><strong><span style="color: #cc6666">Ego Development Outcome: Identity vs. Role Confusion</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strengths: Devotion and Fidelity</strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #cc6666"><span style="color: black">6.</span> Ego Development Outcome: Intimacy and Solidarity vs. Isolation</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strengths: Affiliation and Love</strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #cc6666"><span style="color: black">7.</span> Ego Development Outcome: Generativity vs. Self absorption or Stagnation</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strengths: Production and Care</strong></span></p><p><strong><span style="color: #cc6666"><span style="color: black">8.</span> Ego Development Outcome: Integrity vs. Despair</span></strong></p><p><span style="color: #cc6666"><strong>Basic Strengths: Wisdom</strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerryJ2, post: 150026, member: 3419"] Allan, Kant's philosphy cannot be used with-most of our g'sfg because they have not yet learned to harness their ability to reason. You must TEACH an individual to THINK. Without that, there can be no discussion of morality at all. You must also teach them the parameters of their society, be it family or society at large. It follows that Kant's philosophy is only useful for older, more stable, rational children. To quote, "Kant argued that moral requirements are based on a standard of rationality he dubbed the 'Categorical Imperative' (CI). Immorality thus involves a violation of the CI and is thereby irrational. Other philosophers, such as Locke and Hobbes, had also argued that moral requirements are based on standards of rationality. However, these standards were either desire-based instrumental principles of rationality or based on [I]sui generis[/I] rational intuitions. Kant agreed with many of his predecessors that an analysis of practical reason will reveal only the requirement that rational agents must conform to instrumental principles. Yet he argued that conformity to the CI (a non-instrumental principle) and hence to moral requirements themselves, can nevertheless be shown to be essentKant argued that moral requirements are based on a standard of rationality he dubbed the 'Categorical Imperative' (CI). Immorality thus involves a violation of the CI and is thereby irrational. Other philosophers, such as Locke and Hobbes, had also argued that moral requirements are based on standards of rationality. The quotation you chose, which insists that cause and effect are useless, or reward and punishment are invalid, flies in the face of nearly all famous psychiatrists and philosophers who use developmental guidelines. One famous name that comes to mind is Erik Erikson, who actually assigned ages appropriate for certain stages, but which I have omitted here because they are only guidelines and it is clear that many of our g'sfg spend years in certain stages before they can advance to the next stage. [B][COLOR=#003333]1. [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#cc6666]Ego Development Outcome: Trust vs. Mistrust[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic strength: Drive and Hope[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#003333]2. [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#cc6666]Ego Development Outcome: Autonomy vs. Shame[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strengths: Self-control, Courage, and Will[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=#003333][B]3. [/B][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#cc6666]Ego Development Outcome: [B]Initiative vs. Guilt[/B][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strength: Purpose[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=#003333][B]4. [/B][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#cc6666]Ego Development Outcome: Industry vs. Inferiority[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strengths: Method and Competence[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=#003333][B]5. [/B][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#cc6666]Ego Development Outcome: Identity vs. Role Confusion[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strengths: Devotion and Fidelity[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#cc6666][COLOR=black]6.[/COLOR] Ego Development Outcome: Intimacy and Solidarity vs. Isolation[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strengths: Affiliation and Love[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#cc6666][COLOR=black]7.[/COLOR] Ego Development Outcome: Generativity vs. Self absorption or Stagnation[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strengths: Production and Care[/B][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#cc6666][COLOR=black]8.[/COLOR] Ego Development Outcome: Integrity vs. Despair[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#cc6666][B]Basic Strengths: Wisdom[/B][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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