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<blockquote data-quote="Star*" data-source="post: 146530" data-attributes="member: 4964"><p>klmno - </p><p> </p><p>Okay - maybe I'm not getting this right - BUT I see something in this that no one else commented on. So I'm asking you based on my observation from your post. </p><p> </p><p>First of all = you say he is cycling, and manic. </p><p>Then you call the doctor and he's now calm</p><p>In the middle of all this - he's so manic he thinks to pick up the phone and eaves drop?</p><p>THEN when the thought of Social services or outside agency getting involved is brought up =he flips and begins outrageous controlling behaviors??? </p><p> </p><p>Is this typical of manic behavior? (I am asking) Because for someone who is depressed he certainly had a lot of thought processes going into picking up the phone, spying on you, and then acting out when other people were going to be involved. </p><p> </p><p>I only know that when the people I know who when manic are manic - they couldn't think like that -mostly they couldn't think period, just sit there and stare off somewhere - like the snap snap of fingers in front of their face and they had no clue. So I guess I'm asking more than observing. And certainly not making any suggestions that he is or isn't cycling..</p><p> </p><p>Just trying to understand where your fella is coming from. </p><p> </p><p>And....IF (HUGE IF HERE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW I FELT ABOUT IT PERSONALLY) it is - a behavioral thing - Did you ask where you can get classes for parenting? When this was suggested about Dude I nearly died. I thought "YOU HAVE NO idea what it's like to live with this kid." and then it hit me that if it was all behavioral I needed to KNOW how to deal with it - and if it wasn't behavioral at all - would additional counseling and parenting classes hurt or help? - I admit with some shame - they were right - and it helped. </p><p> </p><p>I dont' know what Dude's problem is - I have been told that it is NOT organic. We had an MRI done on his brain and had the results read by a top notch neuro- and the all said - he's behaved like this for so long - it's habit. And you have let it happen so long that it is habit. BECAUSE I had not a clue. </p><p> </p><p>I've had so many false diagnosis about him - that I figured what harm could taking classes and reading about how to communicate with him, what his triggers were and how to avoid them - and now at 17 - 12 years AFTER our first outburst - he's matured some, and a lot of his anger, hitting, frustration, yelling, have diminished greatly due to being talk how to self-stimulant and coping techniques like walking away and all the science that went behind that logic. It did help him. More than medications, more than Residential Treatment Center (RTC)'s. But he is still who he is. Manipulative with those that allow him to maniuplate, sticky fingers - from those who don't lock their stuff up. Still get's angry, still gets depressed about stuff - still refuses medications...but he's slowed down considerably....and stopped all the screaming and yelling, and pooping pants, and threats. </p><p> </p><p>Is he still sneaky? You bet. Will he still do whatever if he is sure he can get away with it? YOU BET. Is that part of his emerging BiPolar (BP)? NO WAY. That is behavior - and all kids who have mental illness WILL have behavior problems BECAUSE they don't have good self-taught coping skills. </p><p> </p><p>Dont' take offense to it when someone says it's behavioral - it's still no ones fault - it just means now you get a different set of books and tools to help you communicate with your kid - who more than likely is suffering from cycling. </p><p> </p><p>But my thought at this stage in my life - if he is cycling - wouldn't it be nice to have an outlet? How does he KNOW what to do for HIMSELF when he's cycling? Someone has to teach him - that's how. And it sure isn't a parent - it's a behavioral specialist. Having a self-stimming calming technique can go a long way to stopping the yelling, arguing, and "fits". But if you don't know HOW - how are you going to calm yourself. THAT to me is what "behavioral" problems are. If there is a problem there should be a solution, and if I don't know the solution - I want someone to teach it to me. </p><p> </p><p>Know what I mean?? </p><p> </p><p>Hugs - Sounds like you had a rough night. (throws more hugs and more hugs) - I had the same "support" system you do when I started to try to makes sense of Dude - NO ONE. </p><p> </p><p>Can you ask the school if there is a group in your state that would help you and your son afford the services that he needs? Like pay for therapy, give you a weekend of respite? </p><p> </p><p>If you don't know where to go - PM me and I'll see if I can help you do research so you can both get a break.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Star*, post: 146530, member: 4964"] klmno - Okay - maybe I'm not getting this right - BUT I see something in this that no one else commented on. So I'm asking you based on my observation from your post. First of all = you say he is cycling, and manic. Then you call the doctor and he's now calm In the middle of all this - he's so manic he thinks to pick up the phone and eaves drop? THEN when the thought of Social services or outside agency getting involved is brought up =he flips and begins outrageous controlling behaviors??? Is this typical of manic behavior? (I am asking) Because for someone who is depressed he certainly had a lot of thought processes going into picking up the phone, spying on you, and then acting out when other people were going to be involved. I only know that when the people I know who when manic are manic - they couldn't think like that -mostly they couldn't think period, just sit there and stare off somewhere - like the snap snap of fingers in front of their face and they had no clue. So I guess I'm asking more than observing. And certainly not making any suggestions that he is or isn't cycling.. Just trying to understand where your fella is coming from. And....IF (HUGE IF HERE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW I FELT ABOUT IT PERSONALLY) it is - a behavioral thing - Did you ask where you can get classes for parenting? When this was suggested about Dude I nearly died. I thought "YOU HAVE NO idea what it's like to live with this kid." and then it hit me that if it was all behavioral I needed to KNOW how to deal with it - and if it wasn't behavioral at all - would additional counseling and parenting classes hurt or help? - I admit with some shame - they were right - and it helped. I dont' know what Dude's problem is - I have been told that it is NOT organic. We had an MRI done on his brain and had the results read by a top notch neuro- and the all said - he's behaved like this for so long - it's habit. And you have let it happen so long that it is habit. BECAUSE I had not a clue. I've had so many false diagnosis about him - that I figured what harm could taking classes and reading about how to communicate with him, what his triggers were and how to avoid them - and now at 17 - 12 years AFTER our first outburst - he's matured some, and a lot of his anger, hitting, frustration, yelling, have diminished greatly due to being talk how to self-stimulant and coping techniques like walking away and all the science that went behind that logic. It did help him. More than medications, more than Residential Treatment Center (RTC)'s. But he is still who he is. Manipulative with those that allow him to maniuplate, sticky fingers - from those who don't lock their stuff up. Still get's angry, still gets depressed about stuff - still refuses medications...but he's slowed down considerably....and stopped all the screaming and yelling, and pooping pants, and threats. Is he still sneaky? You bet. Will he still do whatever if he is sure he can get away with it? YOU BET. Is that part of his emerging BiPolar (BP)? NO WAY. That is behavior - and all kids who have mental illness WILL have behavior problems BECAUSE they don't have good self-taught coping skills. Dont' take offense to it when someone says it's behavioral - it's still no ones fault - it just means now you get a different set of books and tools to help you communicate with your kid - who more than likely is suffering from cycling. But my thought at this stage in my life - if he is cycling - wouldn't it be nice to have an outlet? How does he KNOW what to do for HIMSELF when he's cycling? Someone has to teach him - that's how. And it sure isn't a parent - it's a behavioral specialist. Having a self-stimming calming technique can go a long way to stopping the yelling, arguing, and "fits". But if you don't know HOW - how are you going to calm yourself. THAT to me is what "behavioral" problems are. If there is a problem there should be a solution, and if I don't know the solution - I want someone to teach it to me. Know what I mean?? Hugs - Sounds like you had a rough night. (throws more hugs and more hugs) - I had the same "support" system you do when I started to try to makes sense of Dude - NO ONE. Can you ask the school if there is a group in your state that would help you and your son afford the services that he needs? Like pay for therapy, give you a weekend of respite? If you don't know where to go - PM me and I'll see if I can help you do research so you can both get a break. [/QUOTE]
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