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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 289211" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>One last word on all this <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />.</p><p>Kids CAN have both disorders, however, from what I've seen in my autism group (about 150 kids) the doctors are too quick to add the label. Many of us have discussed this. Many of the kids have been on the heavy duty stuff--Depakote, Lithium, Seroquel, Risperdal, Zyprexa, the SSRIS etc..when the source of our son's irritation is again Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). These kids do not do well with change (the television channel is changed which interrupted their watching it and they freak out). My son talks to his television upstairs. When he's playing videogames, he will say stuff like, "Mario, that was really dumb!" Daughter, hub and I laugh affectionately. Now that can seem to be bipolar psychosis as in "he hears voices." His psychiatrist was convinced he did. He doesn't.</p><p>What L. said to me is, "I talk to me because nobody else is there." He also said, "I talk out loud because I can understand better that way." I asked if he hears voices in his head and he said, "Yes. You just talked to me and I heard your voice." <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> The kids are very literal.</p><p>I guess my own opinion is, I would wait. I wish I would have waited before I loaded my son up on drugs. He started medications at age three. His medications included: ritalin, adderrall (oy, what a disaster), concerta, risperdal, zyprexa (both disasters with huge weight gain in a short period of time), Prozac (he got psychotic on this), trilpetal (crankier than ever), lithium (peed in his pants every night, weight gain), seroquel (weight gain), depakote (cranky, HUGE weight gain), Topomax (hyper, cognitively dulled) and I'm sure I skipped a few. They did dope him up so he seemed calmer. He didn't learn much because he was so dopey. </p><p>There are kids who NEED these medications and must put up with the side effects. Your son may need one medication, such as Risperdal. My son did better without medications. He's been medication free since he was 11 and he's almost sixteen now. And he is clearly not bipolar. His temperament is evened out and he is very even-keel. Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids can change. Bipolar kids get worse. And their triggers are different. And their moodswings are different. They aren't triggered by the televison being changed. They just get depressed because they do. That's what bipolar is. Shifting moods. You don't really need a trigger. </p><p>Depression IS different in kids. I acted irritable and cried a lot, but it was very obvious to my parents that I was sad. I overheard them talking several times about how sad I was--why was I so sad? Was it them? Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids are more frustrated in the moment when things change too quickly or things are moved around or they can't do something. It doesn't last. </p><p>Use your mommy gut, as Susie said. I wish I'd used mine. Don't let anyone here, including me, influence you. Trust yourself even beyond the doctors because, sadly, as one who had to spend ten years getting bogus diagnoses before bipolar, and seeing my son go through the same wrong diagnosis garbage, I've learned to question even the best professionals. Our neuropsychologist, who had worked ten years at Mayo Clinic, said to me, "Mayo makes mistakes all the time. There are no blood tests. We give you are best guess."</p><p>I appreciate his honesty. In my son's case, he is definitely Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). But once he got that bipolar diagnosis. it was very hard to shake. Even the neuropsychologist was afraid to take the diagnosis. away from him. I had to say, "Let's try him off medications" and then I had to do it. He is clearly not bipolar, unless bipolar goes away. </p><p>Good luck. You have a long journey ahead of you and my best advice to you is to trust YOUR instinct and don't do anything you're uncomfortable with--also in my opinion it's best to go slow, wait, and see. Good luck for the hundredth time <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue:" title="tongue :tongue:" data-shortname=":tongue:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 289211, member: 1550"] One last word on all this :happy:. Kids CAN have both disorders, however, from what I've seen in my autism group (about 150 kids) the doctors are too quick to add the label. Many of us have discussed this. Many of the kids have been on the heavy duty stuff--Depakote, Lithium, Seroquel, Risperdal, Zyprexa, the SSRIS etc..when the source of our son's irritation is again Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). These kids do not do well with change (the television channel is changed which interrupted their watching it and they freak out). My son talks to his television upstairs. When he's playing videogames, he will say stuff like, "Mario, that was really dumb!" Daughter, hub and I laugh affectionately. Now that can seem to be bipolar psychosis as in "he hears voices." His psychiatrist was convinced he did. He doesn't. What L. said to me is, "I talk to me because nobody else is there." He also said, "I talk out loud because I can understand better that way." I asked if he hears voices in his head and he said, "Yes. You just talked to me and I heard your voice." :happy: The kids are very literal. I guess my own opinion is, I would wait. I wish I would have waited before I loaded my son up on drugs. He started medications at age three. His medications included: ritalin, adderrall (oy, what a disaster), concerta, risperdal, zyprexa (both disasters with huge weight gain in a short period of time), Prozac (he got psychotic on this), trilpetal (crankier than ever), lithium (peed in his pants every night, weight gain), seroquel (weight gain), depakote (cranky, HUGE weight gain), Topomax (hyper, cognitively dulled) and I'm sure I skipped a few. They did dope him up so he seemed calmer. He didn't learn much because he was so dopey. There are kids who NEED these medications and must put up with the side effects. Your son may need one medication, such as Risperdal. My son did better without medications. He's been medication free since he was 11 and he's almost sixteen now. And he is clearly not bipolar. His temperament is evened out and he is very even-keel. Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids can change. Bipolar kids get worse. And their triggers are different. And their moodswings are different. They aren't triggered by the televison being changed. They just get depressed because they do. That's what bipolar is. Shifting moods. You don't really need a trigger. Depression IS different in kids. I acted irritable and cried a lot, but it was very obvious to my parents that I was sad. I overheard them talking several times about how sad I was--why was I so sad? Was it them? Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) kids are more frustrated in the moment when things change too quickly or things are moved around or they can't do something. It doesn't last. Use your mommy gut, as Susie said. I wish I'd used mine. Don't let anyone here, including me, influence you. Trust yourself even beyond the doctors because, sadly, as one who had to spend ten years getting bogus diagnoses before bipolar, and seeing my son go through the same wrong diagnosis garbage, I've learned to question even the best professionals. Our neuropsychologist, who had worked ten years at Mayo Clinic, said to me, "Mayo makes mistakes all the time. There are no blood tests. We give you are best guess." I appreciate his honesty. In my son's case, he is definitely Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD). But once he got that bipolar diagnosis. it was very hard to shake. Even the neuropsychologist was afraid to take the diagnosis. away from him. I had to say, "Let's try him off medications" and then I had to do it. He is clearly not bipolar, unless bipolar goes away. Good luck. You have a long journey ahead of you and my best advice to you is to trust YOUR instinct and don't do anything you're uncomfortable with--also in my opinion it's best to go slow, wait, and see. Good luck for the hundredth time :raspberry-tounge: [/QUOTE]
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