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<blockquote data-quote="SeekingStrength" data-source="post: 619876" data-attributes="member: 17635"><p>....which brings us to the (full of the above adjectives) email gfg32 sent late last night and which husband and i read this morning. It was addressed to my mom, husband and me. My mom has already emailed gfg32 back, telling him she will see what she can do!!!</p><p></p><p>Warning: This is a <strong>very long</strong> email. For folks who find time to read it, I would much appreciate advice on how to handle. Ignore? If not, respond how? It's unbelievable how he has reconstructed basically EVERYTHING.</p><p></p><p>I haven't told dfg32 anything about detachment--guessing my mom has repeated stuff I've shared with her.</p><p>************************</p><p></p><p><em><strong>I've thought long about this. I sent it to all three of you on purpose but I won't read responses from any of you. Its not mean. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>First, grandma has offered to change my life-get me a car, pay for grad school (her selection) and money, if I just say I believe what she wants me to believe. I won't do it. That's not me. I don't believe in God. At least not a higher power that humans can assign any attributes to. I'm not writing this to have that argument but to point out what I deal with. Its dangled in front of me that I could feel like my dreams are possible again- something I haven't felt since 2005 if ONLY I would believe in something I find to be nonsense.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Be sure, I don't feel its nonsense BC I am bitter about childhood..no, I used critical thinking skills, research as far as understanding what independent sources are etc... I included an attachment to each of you that isn't the whole reason I don't believe but its enough to where a sane, fair adult can say..should say.."ok, any adult who reads this short piece of evidence-undisputable evidence-might not believe the same as what the Lutheran Church or an Christian,Muslim or religious sect teaches. And I know grandma will respond to the evidence with paragraph after paragraph of circular logic that makes no sense and says nothing. I'm sorry. There is no polite way to tell somebody that something you have devoted your life to is nonsense. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>And even IF there were an afterlife it doesn't !make sense that a worthy God would let people in based on if they guessed the right creation myth to follow. That was obviously included in scriptures to scare earlier ages so that the numbers of new churches would grow. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>But Im not trying to change y'all. I'm saying I'm a sane adult who is having an offer dangled in front of my face but pulled away because I won't fake that I believe that stuff. I'm as close to believing that as you guys are to wondering if Zuess is the ultimate being. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>If I were to take the offer I'd be manipulative</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Brings me to (husband and me--gfg32 refers to us by our first names):</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Detatchment?!!! You have done a lot of research!? You have to know all the variables you are dealing with to do any research. Otherwise its speculation</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Instead of books, look at my own life. EVERY time I've told you it was time for you guys to help me you didn't listen to me. I didn't need to read a minute for a minute of Nintendo, I didnt need a car with no air conditioning in it that would break down on side of road, I didn't make fun of that girl in (classroom teacher who called me in 9th grade saying gfg32 had been rude) class, I didn't call Moms co worker. That guy y'all made me call and apologize to...</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Listen to me. I don't need a Dr...I need a job. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>What happened with (girlfriend) 3 weeks ago wasn't at ALL like N and T. The two previous instances involved girls that I had 1) tried to dump already 2) dumped me within days of my birthday...</strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I preceded with actions that I'm not proud of. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>(girlfriend) got a PFA only to show me she really was moving to home for at least two years....So this isn't a "(gfg32's name) will never change if we help him". What happened in last three weeks has never happened. Last summer I lost my fave job in a very hurtful way and I got very depressed and the results of that depression came to a head the night (girlfriend) got that paperwork. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>My job prospects increase dramatically NEXT month, but I'm homeless next week.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>You guys offered help. I left Wendy's when (his dad) said that y'all "had gone bankrupt from this". I was bout to cry. You hadn't spent a dime on this. You still havent.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>And some of this, I know, is that y'all are bitter. I called y'all out on some things with (me-his mom) over text that you (probly (his dad) mostly) didn't wanna hear. But I tell you again. You DID fail me in many ways. And I'm not hearing "it was hard for us as well"</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>For one..the impact on a 9-18 year old don't even equate to impact on 30-45 year olds. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I DIDNT have a bed through high school. Be a f'n (gfg32 says the word, but I thought I best clean it for the forum) man and go get me one. I showed up short on sleep every day....</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Even IF there was a click and clack article about car safety...when the next kid comes of age 3 years later maybe you say " gee. Let's stay consistent. Maybe give the 18 year old the new sports car and the younger kid can get in line". What message was I supposed to get from that? I don't hate (his sister) for that....but that's common sense. And you know what, I understood that logic at the time but y'all had me convinced there was something wrong with me.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Next point. How did y'all allow this environment where (his sister) never spoke to me then coaches (his younger brother) to do same. Adults!! I could go on and on and on</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>(me-his mom) especially will say "well gee, I'm not perfect, no human is....". No. Y'all were lacking bring function, humanity or both when you raised me.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>And so, I'm getting older. I haven't felt like my dreams were within reach since October 22, 2005 (few months before that). </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>(girlfriend) convinced me they were briefly but my record came to haunt me and I fell back. But that record is all but dead in weeks. I'm trying to get over a bridge right now, to the next chapter....that I want to include grad school, a professional career and a wife and kids. Not working day labor to afford motel room that cost same as what I made. To avoid streets in only city I know with shelters, a city infested with drugs. I'm at that juncture.....</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Being told to "go to hell" and being called an "a hole" is nothing, NOTHING compared to finding out your mother tried to convince (girlfriend) not to pick me up at Manchester airport. I heard the reasoning behind that and if it wasn't so jaw droppingly sad it would be laughable.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Y'all offered 2 weeks at a motel and Dr visit. Easily 350-400 in value. Grandma was offering more. And you all 3 are withdrawing for shameful reasons. You might have researched "detachment" but you don't know anything about "me"</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I need that assistance. I'm telling you I do. I don't ask for that kind of help but the next few weeks are critical. And now thinks are aggravated by what I'm sure is a broken right pinky. I got that the same night I asked y'all to meet me at (bar). The same day you requested (girlfriend) not pick me up and you requested she enforce PFA. Wow!!!</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>But I would love to have freedom to go to Dr and have it assessed. The Dr is covered by (state he is in) but medications aren't. It hurts and keeps me from any work. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>So if your not gonna help me because your mad about the last three weeks then....well, I know all of you have pride, and pride is great until it becomes a wall. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I'm telling you....listen to me FOR ONCE. This is a turning point. And YES you do owe me. My childhood was shitty. Not scars on my back or sexual molestation but you made me feel like "the lesser". </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I need help, I need a mulligan. If you can help with some shelter for a few weeks I can find a job and get my pinky fixed. But I really have looked all over (town he is in). I'm trying to get to May 1st when I can get to (girlfriend's hometown), work for (a specific big manufacturing company)...then return to (city where he is now) with a solid job reference. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>If you say no, its pride or your"detachment" theory. Which I'm telling you doesn't apply here. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>My life can turn. I'm not conning you guys. Listen to me. Ever since I did what every kid I know would've done and had a party summer of 1999 y'all turned me loose alone on the jungle that is the world. So when I come limping back to the home village asking for help listen to ME. Don't wait on (guy he stayed with down here) to call you. He doesn't need your version. I'm 32. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Seriously guys. You baffle a lot of folks that hear of your methods. Pull your head out of the textbook and listen to ME. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I'll close with something that I guess is manipulative. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I need to feel like a human soon. If you help then I'll keep the shot at us being a family alive in my heart. The chance for y'all to know your grandkids girlfriend and I want to have. If not that's just once too many times. </strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>I once called Dad from (ex girlfriend who got last restraining order on him) phone, (exgf) next to me asking for a small bit of cash to get me through next few days. You refused for similar reasons. Months later you were spending much more on my collect calls and commissary money. Help me when I TELL you I need help.</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>Come on guys. I deserve a mulligan</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p><em><strong>***********************</strong></em></p><p><em><strong></strong></em></p><p>I cannot begin to explain some of the stuff he says. he DID have a bed until his senior year in high school. He didn't "want" a bed anymore.</p><p></p><p>The small amount of money he asked for with his ex was $1000. (not small for us)</p><p></p><p>He and his sister both worked and saved for their cars. I insisted he get a Volvo....because I had read they were the safest car. He bought the cheapest Volvo he could find when he had about $3000. Sure enough, they were expensive to maintain so I learned. His sister saved close to $5000 and purchased a used Firebird. husband and I put no money into either car (except lots of repairs for the Volvo)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SeekingStrength, post: 619876, member: 17635"] ....which brings us to the (full of the above adjectives) email gfg32 sent late last night and which husband and i read this morning. It was addressed to my mom, husband and me. My mom has already emailed gfg32 back, telling him she will see what she can do!!! Warning: This is a [B]very long[/B] email. For folks who find time to read it, I would much appreciate advice on how to handle. Ignore? If not, respond how? It's unbelievable how he has reconstructed basically EVERYTHING. I haven't told dfg32 anything about detachment--guessing my mom has repeated stuff I've shared with her. ************************ [I][B]I've thought long about this. I sent it to all three of you on purpose but I won't read responses from any of you. Its not mean. First, grandma has offered to change my life-get me a car, pay for grad school (her selection) and money, if I just say I believe what she wants me to believe. I won't do it. That's not me. I don't believe in God. At least not a higher power that humans can assign any attributes to. I'm not writing this to have that argument but to point out what I deal with. Its dangled in front of me that I could feel like my dreams are possible again- something I haven't felt since 2005 if ONLY I would believe in something I find to be nonsense. Be sure, I don't feel its nonsense BC I am bitter about childhood..no, I used critical thinking skills, research as far as understanding what independent sources are etc... I included an attachment to each of you that isn't the whole reason I don't believe but its enough to where a sane, fair adult can say..should say.."ok, any adult who reads this short piece of evidence-undisputable evidence-might not believe the same as what the Lutheran Church or an Christian,Muslim or religious sect teaches. And I know grandma will respond to the evidence with paragraph after paragraph of circular logic that makes no sense and says nothing. I'm sorry. There is no polite way to tell somebody that something you have devoted your life to is nonsense. And even IF there were an afterlife it doesn't !make sense that a worthy God would let people in based on if they guessed the right creation myth to follow. That was obviously included in scriptures to scare earlier ages so that the numbers of new churches would grow. But Im not trying to change y'all. I'm saying I'm a sane adult who is having an offer dangled in front of my face but pulled away because I won't fake that I believe that stuff. I'm as close to believing that as you guys are to wondering if Zuess is the ultimate being. If I were to take the offer I'd be manipulative Brings me to (husband and me--gfg32 refers to us by our first names): Detatchment?!!! You have done a lot of research!? You have to know all the variables you are dealing with to do any research. Otherwise its speculation Instead of books, look at my own life. EVERY time I've told you it was time for you guys to help me you didn't listen to me. I didn't need to read a minute for a minute of Nintendo, I didnt need a car with no air conditioning in it that would break down on side of road, I didn't make fun of that girl in (classroom teacher who called me in 9th grade saying gfg32 had been rude) class, I didn't call Moms co worker. That guy y'all made me call and apologize to... Listen to me. I don't need a Dr...I need a job. What happened with (girlfriend) 3 weeks ago wasn't at ALL like N and T. The two previous instances involved girls that I had 1) tried to dump already 2) dumped me within days of my birthday... I preceded with actions that I'm not proud of. (girlfriend) got a PFA only to show me she really was moving to home for at least two years....So this isn't a "(gfg32's name) will never change if we help him". What happened in last three weeks has never happened. Last summer I lost my fave job in a very hurtful way and I got very depressed and the results of that depression came to a head the night (girlfriend) got that paperwork. My job prospects increase dramatically NEXT month, but I'm homeless next week. You guys offered help. I left Wendy's when (his dad) said that y'all "had gone bankrupt from this". I was bout to cry. You hadn't spent a dime on this. You still havent. And some of this, I know, is that y'all are bitter. I called y'all out on some things with (me-his mom) over text that you (probly (his dad) mostly) didn't wanna hear. But I tell you again. You DID fail me in many ways. And I'm not hearing "it was hard for us as well" For one..the impact on a 9-18 year old don't even equate to impact on 30-45 year olds. I DIDNT have a bed through high school. Be a f'n (gfg32 says the word, but I thought I best clean it for the forum) man and go get me one. I showed up short on sleep every day.... Even IF there was a click and clack article about car safety...when the next kid comes of age 3 years later maybe you say " gee. Let's stay consistent. Maybe give the 18 year old the new sports car and the younger kid can get in line". What message was I supposed to get from that? I don't hate (his sister) for that....but that's common sense. And you know what, I understood that logic at the time but y'all had me convinced there was something wrong with me. Next point. How did y'all allow this environment where (his sister) never spoke to me then coaches (his younger brother) to do same. Adults!! I could go on and on and on (me-his mom) especially will say "well gee, I'm not perfect, no human is....". No. Y'all were lacking bring function, humanity or both when you raised me. And so, I'm getting older. I haven't felt like my dreams were within reach since October 22, 2005 (few months before that). (girlfriend) convinced me they were briefly but my record came to haunt me and I fell back. But that record is all but dead in weeks. I'm trying to get over a bridge right now, to the next chapter....that I want to include grad school, a professional career and a wife and kids. Not working day labor to afford motel room that cost same as what I made. To avoid streets in only city I know with shelters, a city infested with drugs. I'm at that juncture..... Being told to "go to hell" and being called an "a hole" is nothing, NOTHING compared to finding out your mother tried to convince (girlfriend) not to pick me up at Manchester airport. I heard the reasoning behind that and if it wasn't so jaw droppingly sad it would be laughable. Y'all offered 2 weeks at a motel and Dr visit. Easily 350-400 in value. Grandma was offering more. And you all 3 are withdrawing for shameful reasons. You might have researched "detachment" but you don't know anything about "me" I need that assistance. I'm telling you I do. I don't ask for that kind of help but the next few weeks are critical. And now thinks are aggravated by what I'm sure is a broken right pinky. I got that the same night I asked y'all to meet me at (bar). The same day you requested (girlfriend) not pick me up and you requested she enforce PFA. Wow!!! But I would love to have freedom to go to Dr and have it assessed. The Dr is covered by (state he is in) but medications aren't. It hurts and keeps me from any work. So if your not gonna help me because your mad about the last three weeks then....well, I know all of you have pride, and pride is great until it becomes a wall. I'm telling you....listen to me FOR ONCE. This is a turning point. And YES you do owe me. My childhood was shitty. Not scars on my back or sexual molestation but you made me feel like "the lesser". I need help, I need a mulligan. If you can help with some shelter for a few weeks I can find a job and get my pinky fixed. But I really have looked all over (town he is in). I'm trying to get to May 1st when I can get to (girlfriend's hometown), work for (a specific big manufacturing company)...then return to (city where he is now) with a solid job reference. If you say no, its pride or your"detachment" theory. Which I'm telling you doesn't apply here. My life can turn. I'm not conning you guys. Listen to me. Ever since I did what every kid I know would've done and had a party summer of 1999 y'all turned me loose alone on the jungle that is the world. So when I come limping back to the home village asking for help listen to ME. Don't wait on (guy he stayed with down here) to call you. He doesn't need your version. I'm 32. Seriously guys. You baffle a lot of folks that hear of your methods. Pull your head out of the textbook and listen to ME. I'll close with something that I guess is manipulative. I need to feel like a human soon. If you help then I'll keep the shot at us being a family alive in my heart. The chance for y'all to know your grandkids girlfriend and I want to have. If not that's just once too many times. I once called Dad from (ex girlfriend who got last restraining order on him) phone, (exgf) next to me asking for a small bit of cash to get me through next few days. You refused for similar reasons. Months later you were spending much more on my collect calls and commissary money. Help me when I TELL you I need help. Come on guys. I deserve a mulligan[/B][/I] [I][B] *********************** [/B][/I] I cannot begin to explain some of the stuff he says. he DID have a bed until his senior year in high school. He didn't "want" a bed anymore. The small amount of money he asked for with his ex was $1000. (not small for us) He and his sister both worked and saved for their cars. I insisted he get a Volvo....because I had read they were the safest car. He bought the cheapest Volvo he could find when he had about $3000. Sure enough, they were expensive to maintain so I learned. His sister saved close to $5000 and purchased a used Firebird. husband and I put no money into either car (except lots of repairs for the Volvo) [I][B][/B][/I] [/QUOTE]
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