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<blockquote data-quote="TerryJ2" data-source="post: 32060" data-attributes="member: 3419"><p>I haven't seen it but it sounds interesting. It also sounds a bit flawed. I'll explain.</p><p>I had my DNA done through Nat'l Geographic. It's $100 and lots of fun. You submit a saliva sample and they send you back a map that charts your ancestors migratory patterns approx. 50,000 yrs ago. They also give you photos (links online) of other women who have submitted DNA samples that match yours. The matching women came from Poland, Russian, and Saudi Arabia (via Africa). It stops just past the Bering Straight (the ice melted thousands of yrs ago, blocking further passage until recent history) so my ancestry on that side is German and Danish in the late 1800s. (I am missing a huge amt of info between 50,000 AD and 1850, so this DNA sample created as many questions as it answered.</p><p></p><p>Likewise, I had my Dad submit a saliva sample (a greedy Christmas present on my part... I wanted to know my ancestry and he insisted he knew it was all Celtic back to the Stone Age. He's got Alzheimer's so I thought he was just going on what his grandparents told him). Well, he was right. His is the most common ancestry for the Celtic "race" and most widely spread DNA during the Ice Age, LOL!</p><p></p><p>We have no Asian or African Ancestry that is <em>visably </em>discernable, that is, in regard to <em>phenotypes</em>.</p><p>Nat'l Geo posits that we all started in Africa because of climate and commonality of DNA found in a particular tribe there (the ones whose language uses a clicking sound... now I can't recall the name).</p><p></p><p>In re: to culture, yes, culture is a huge factor in our differences. Look at how women are treated in the Middle East-- yet their history includes some of the most brilliant people (men) from all walks of life--mathematicians, cartographers, architects, calligraphers, horse breeders. </p><p></p><p>We got some flack from friends and family when they knew we wanted to adopt a mixed race child. We had some very unhappy times and some hurt feelings, to say the least. To us, it didn't matter, but they told us that we were deliberately seeking out a difficult life for ourselves because of race and culture.</p><p></p><p>Little did we all know that it would end up being ADHD and Asperger's, and race would be inconsequential!</p><p>I think difficult child will have problems when he's old enough to date, and that will bother me as much as it bothers him... but I will cross that bridge when I come to it.</p><p></p><p>He has noticed that so many of the poor in our area are black, or what we would consider poor, which means an apt. or small house with-window a/c rather than central a/c, a rusty car, and Kmart clothes rather than something from NYC, among other things. (I know some Guyanese who have emigrated to NYC, and they think that their cockroach infested section 8 housing is wonderful compared to what they left in Guyana!). I explain to my son that it all has to do with-education and staying in school. Some kids think it's not cool to be smart, and they will make fun of you. (In our public school system, that attitude is rampant through much of the black population and a bit of the white population, but none of the Asian population, true to stereotype.)</p><p></p><p>We have a local group to discuss these issues, called People-to-People. They meet once a month but I don't see much progress being made. (I went to 2 mtngs yrs ago.) The people who show up are the ones you could talk to anyway, and the ones on the street who so desperately need education and stripping of stereotypes will never show up.</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure the issues you were referring to in re: to entrepreneurial exploitation. Could you explain?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerryJ2, post: 32060, member: 3419"] I haven't seen it but it sounds interesting. It also sounds a bit flawed. I'll explain. I had my DNA done through Nat'l Geographic. It's $100 and lots of fun. You submit a saliva sample and they send you back a map that charts your ancestors migratory patterns approx. 50,000 yrs ago. They also give you photos (links online) of other women who have submitted DNA samples that match yours. The matching women came from Poland, Russian, and Saudi Arabia (via Africa). It stops just past the Bering Straight (the ice melted thousands of yrs ago, blocking further passage until recent history) so my ancestry on that side is German and Danish in the late 1800s. (I am missing a huge amt of info between 50,000 AD and 1850, so this DNA sample created as many questions as it answered. Likewise, I had my Dad submit a saliva sample (a greedy Christmas present on my part... I wanted to know my ancestry and he insisted he knew it was all Celtic back to the Stone Age. He's got Alzheimer's so I thought he was just going on what his grandparents told him). Well, he was right. His is the most common ancestry for the Celtic "race" and most widely spread DNA during the Ice Age, LOL! We have no Asian or African Ancestry that is [i]visably [/i]discernable, that is, in regard to [i]phenotypes[/i]. Nat'l Geo posits that we all started in Africa because of climate and commonality of DNA found in a particular tribe there (the ones whose language uses a clicking sound... now I can't recall the name). In re: to culture, yes, culture is a huge factor in our differences. Look at how women are treated in the Middle East-- yet their history includes some of the most brilliant people (men) from all walks of life--mathematicians, cartographers, architects, calligraphers, horse breeders. We got some flack from friends and family when they knew we wanted to adopt a mixed race child. We had some very unhappy times and some hurt feelings, to say the least. To us, it didn't matter, but they told us that we were deliberately seeking out a difficult life for ourselves because of race and culture. Little did we all know that it would end up being ADHD and Asperger's, and race would be inconsequential! I think difficult child will have problems when he's old enough to date, and that will bother me as much as it bothers him... but I will cross that bridge when I come to it. He has noticed that so many of the poor in our area are black, or what we would consider poor, which means an apt. or small house with-window a/c rather than central a/c, a rusty car, and Kmart clothes rather than something from NYC, among other things. (I know some Guyanese who have emigrated to NYC, and they think that their cockroach infested section 8 housing is wonderful compared to what they left in Guyana!). I explain to my son that it all has to do with-education and staying in school. Some kids think it's not cool to be smart, and they will make fun of you. (In our public school system, that attitude is rampant through much of the black population and a bit of the white population, but none of the Asian population, true to stereotype.) We have a local group to discuss these issues, called People-to-People. They meet once a month but I don't see much progress being made. (I went to 2 mtngs yrs ago.) The people who show up are the ones you could talk to anyway, and the ones on the street who so desperately need education and stripping of stereotypes will never show up. I'm not sure the issues you were referring to in re: to entrepreneurial exploitation. Could you explain? [/QUOTE]
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