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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 758074" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>What a terrible situation!</p><p></p><p>As to your question whether somebody can turn it on and off again, I guess the answer would be, sometimes. I have heard it said by a psychiatrist that even the most psychotic of people, can pull themselves together to respond to acute danger. It's as if all of the (few) resources they have they summon up and once the threat has passed, they regress back to baseline.</p><p></p><p>Based upon experience there is a fine line (or no line) between drugs and mental illness. The kind of drug use that can lead to a break from reality, weight loss, erratic behavior, manipulation of the sort you describe--can induce psychosis. They call it substance induced psychosis. And many people who are mentally ill turn to drugs, to find escape.</p><p></p><p>Almost every parent here has had to deal with something like you are dealing with, and almost all of us go back and forth as to the cause. Are they mentally ill? Or is it drugs? Is this manipulation? Or is it their character and personality?</p><p></p><p>And none of us can ever decide, once and for all, unless the child goes into drug treatment, perhaps gets therapy, and stabilizes. In the case of methamphetamine, for example, I have heard that the mental illness (hallucinations, delusions and depression) can endure for years after they stop using drugs.</p><p></p><p>This is what I suggest. I suggest that you begin to post as much as you can. On your thread and others' threads too. You are dealing with a situation that in all likelihood, will not go away any time soon. Your husband is in a nightmare of a situation.</p><p></p><p>I found no other way to deal with my own version of this, without posting, which I did night and day, everyday. I believe I have come out the other side, but even now, I do not think I am out of the woods. I post way less, but I don't go far away.</p><p></p><p>This is not something that for most of us has an ending. It's about building capacity within ourselves, to build muscle to endure that which is impossible to endure.</p><p></p><p>I am so very sorry you and your husband are in this hard, hard place.</p><p></p><p>PS I have called the Mental Health Team and the police, and my son was held for several days. In my state the critera for involuntary hospitalization are danger to self, to others, or gravely disabled.</p><p></p><p>The most powerful thing I did was to turn the focus upon my health and well-being. I accepted (somewhat) that I had no control over what my son did, and by keeping my focus on him, I was killing myself, slowly. I think our shifting our focus on how all of this affects us, is the better thing for our kids, too. I found that all of those groceries I bought only stood in the way of my son needing to deal with his own life and problems. </p><p></p><p>It's hard. I know it is.</p><p></p><p>If your husband is open to it, I suggest Al Anon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 758074, member: 18958"] What a terrible situation! As to your question whether somebody can turn it on and off again, I guess the answer would be, sometimes. I have heard it said by a psychiatrist that even the most psychotic of people, can pull themselves together to respond to acute danger. It's as if all of the (few) resources they have they summon up and once the threat has passed, they regress back to baseline. Based upon experience there is a fine line (or no line) between drugs and mental illness. The kind of drug use that can lead to a break from reality, weight loss, erratic behavior, manipulation of the sort you describe--can induce psychosis. They call it substance induced psychosis. And many people who are mentally ill turn to drugs, to find escape. Almost every parent here has had to deal with something like you are dealing with, and almost all of us go back and forth as to the cause. Are they mentally ill? Or is it drugs? Is this manipulation? Or is it their character and personality? And none of us can ever decide, once and for all, unless the child goes into drug treatment, perhaps gets therapy, and stabilizes. In the case of methamphetamine, for example, I have heard that the mental illness (hallucinations, delusions and depression) can endure for years after they stop using drugs. This is what I suggest. I suggest that you begin to post as much as you can. On your thread and others' threads too. You are dealing with a situation that in all likelihood, will not go away any time soon. Your husband is in a nightmare of a situation. I found no other way to deal with my own version of this, without posting, which I did night and day, everyday. I believe I have come out the other side, but even now, I do not think I am out of the woods. I post way less, but I don't go far away. This is not something that for most of us has an ending. It's about building capacity within ourselves, to build muscle to endure that which is impossible to endure. I am so very sorry you and your husband are in this hard, hard place. PS I have called the Mental Health Team and the police, and my son was held for several days. In my state the critera for involuntary hospitalization are danger to self, to others, or gravely disabled. The most powerful thing I did was to turn the focus upon my health and well-being. I accepted (somewhat) that I had no control over what my son did, and by keeping my focus on him, I was killing myself, slowly. I think our shifting our focus on how all of this affects us, is the better thing for our kids, too. I found that all of those groceries I bought only stood in the way of my son needing to deal with his own life and problems. It's hard. I know it is. If your husband is open to it, I suggest Al Anon. [/QUOTE]
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