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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 706676" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>Jabber. I smoked in my early as a very young woman and quit very young, too. I went to a group at Kaiser Permanente, a large health care system where I lived. The group leader said lifestyle <u>change</u>, for smoking too, was everything.</p><p></p><p>To the extent that the first 6 weeks of the group was preparation to quit! We switched brands. If we were menthol we stopped that. We would stop smoking in the morning. We identified every trigger to smoke or companion to smoking and we broke those links. This extended to friendships and recreational activities. If we went to bars and drank, we stopped going to bars; we distanced ourselves from our companions who did. It was brutal, but the only way.</p><p></p><p>For many years I still wanted to smoke, but I knew if I took one puff I would be a goner (I loved to smoke. I loved menthol. I still do. Almost 40 years later if I think about how it feels to smoke, I want to. Still. Just as you found the strategy to keep marching one step at a time, that discipline is in you with smoking, too. You control whether a cigarette gets into your hand. You control whether you raise it to your lips.</p><p></p><p>My mother smoked her whole life and stopped in her early 60's. A trigger for her was coffee drinking. She never again had a cup of coffee. She switched to tea.</p><p></p><p>You see, it is about consciousness, and following through. From everything I know about you Jabber you are in the 99th percentile in each trait.</p><p></p><p>Even though I smoked only a short time, I have mild Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) now. (I wrote in another post about the air purifier I bought for my bedroom. Just taking a deep, clean breath of air, feels to me to a greatest of gifts.) I took so much for granted.</p><p>Hi tandemandme.</p><p></p><p>I only started this in earnest last week. (I did it a few days maybe 6 or 8 months ago, but could not sustain it. I think I tried to be too ambitious.) There are so many versions. This time I tried to stay under 600 calories each day, ignoring the time of day I ate. I admire Dr. Jason Fung whose videos and articles are on the internet. when I reviewed his work I realized that I was depriving myself of the health benefits, and actually doing Caloric Restriction, not intermittent fasting.</p><p></p><p>Like you are doing, Dr. Fung espouses the idea that the important thing is the fasting, the dedicated space of time without food. He talks about the health benefits far beyond weight loss. Yesterday I tried it: it was not so hard.</p><p></p><p>If I can drink coffee and tea, I find it pretty easy to fast for 16 to 20 hours a day. (I do not think I could do it for 24, like you do.) I drink milk and Splenda in my coffee and tea. Dr. Fung, reluctantly, does allow milk in coffee because he says it greatly improves compliance. (Honestly. Eliminating the milk in coffee is something I do not believe I could do. It is crazy what we get attached to.) But I am having a hard time in letting go of the Splenda, even though I know it is unhealthy, over and above the metabolic consequences.</p><p></p><p>I am encouraged (and happy for you) you are doing so well. I am no physician but I would think the moderate way you are fasting would only have long-term and short-term benefits. Dr. Fung says that this regimen mimics the way our ancestors, the cavemen, lived and ate.</p><p></p><p>A grazing-type diet, punctuated by large meals never gives our system a rest, and floods our bodies constantly with hormones. It helps me that the science makes sense to me.</p><p></p><p>It is very helpful to me that you posted about your experience. Than you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 706676, member: 18958"] Jabber. I smoked in my early as a very young woman and quit very young, too. I went to a group at Kaiser Permanente, a large health care system where I lived. The group leader said lifestyle [U]change[/U], for smoking too, was everything. To the extent that the first 6 weeks of the group was preparation to quit! We switched brands. If we were menthol we stopped that. We would stop smoking in the morning. We identified every trigger to smoke or companion to smoking and we broke those links. This extended to friendships and recreational activities. If we went to bars and drank, we stopped going to bars; we distanced ourselves from our companions who did. It was brutal, but the only way. For many years I still wanted to smoke, but I knew if I took one puff I would be a goner (I loved to smoke. I loved menthol. I still do. Almost 40 years later if I think about how it feels to smoke, I want to. Still. Just as you found the strategy to keep marching one step at a time, that discipline is in you with smoking, too. You control whether a cigarette gets into your hand. You control whether you raise it to your lips. My mother smoked her whole life and stopped in her early 60's. A trigger for her was coffee drinking. She never again had a cup of coffee. She switched to tea. You see, it is about consciousness, and following through. From everything I know about you Jabber you are in the 99th percentile in each trait. Even though I smoked only a short time, I have mild Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) now. (I wrote in another post about the air purifier I bought for my bedroom. Just taking a deep, clean breath of air, feels to me to a greatest of gifts.) I took so much for granted. Hi tandemandme. I only started this in earnest last week. (I did it a few days maybe 6 or 8 months ago, but could not sustain it. I think I tried to be too ambitious.) There are so many versions. This time I tried to stay under 600 calories each day, ignoring the time of day I ate. I admire Dr. Jason Fung whose videos and articles are on the internet. when I reviewed his work I realized that I was depriving myself of the health benefits, and actually doing Caloric Restriction, not intermittent fasting. Like you are doing, Dr. Fung espouses the idea that the important thing is the fasting, the dedicated space of time without food. He talks about the health benefits far beyond weight loss. Yesterday I tried it: it was not so hard. If I can drink coffee and tea, I find it pretty easy to fast for 16 to 20 hours a day. (I do not think I could do it for 24, like you do.) I drink milk and Splenda in my coffee and tea. Dr. Fung, reluctantly, does allow milk in coffee because he says it greatly improves compliance. (Honestly. Eliminating the milk in coffee is something I do not believe I could do. It is crazy what we get attached to.) But I am having a hard time in letting go of the Splenda, even though I know it is unhealthy, over and above the metabolic consequences. I am encouraged (and happy for you) you are doing so well. I am no physician but I would think the moderate way you are fasting would only have long-term and short-term benefits. Dr. Fung says that this regimen mimics the way our ancestors, the cavemen, lived and ate. A grazing-type diet, punctuated by large meals never gives our system a rest, and floods our bodies constantly with hormones. It helps me that the science makes sense to me. It is very helpful to me that you posted about your experience. Than you. [/QUOTE]
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