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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 352661" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>IQ tests were originally developed by getting a bunch of kids who were all in a mainstream school setting, sitting these kids down and giving them some tests. The scores were then charted and analysed, and a scoring system worked out so that the mid-range of the spread of results was arbitrarily given a rating of 100.</p><p></p><p>The thing is, the kids tested would not have included kids with Downs Syndrome, kids with other chromosomal defects, kids who didn't speak the same language, kids who had significant disabilities (physical as well as intellectual). It would not have included kids with Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) to any great degree.</p><p></p><p>And yet now - they try to adapt this testing system so they can get some sort of meaningful result? Sorry, it doesn't work that way.</p><p></p><p>It is a GUIDE. That is all. The sub-scores are the most helpful as Susie said, because they can point to areas where the child needs more help.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. That is often a reason for a child scoring a lot lower than he/she should. The testing is simply not designed to assess a kid who is either distracted, or in other ways not fully motivated to do the best they can.</p><p></p><p>Both my boys "failed" their first IQ tests. They have since tested as having IQs ranging from 120 to 140. </p><p></p><p>IQ is supposed to be fixed and unchangeable. The fact that so many of us have experienced the opposite, only shows up flaws in the whole testing process.</p><p></p><p>If you believe your son to have an above average IQ, then use this as your working hypothesis. I'm not kidding - even if you are wrong, this is your best chance to hep him do better, by believing he can. And if you are right... how bad would it be to actually be quite intelligent, but constantly be told you are intellectually below par and to have opportunities withheld, because nobody believes you are capable?</p><p></p><p>Susan Boyle is in the news here at the moment; they keep mentioning her mention in interviews that she had a mild intellectual disability. Well, I see no sign of it in her wit, her charm, her interactions when interviewed. But if she had dyslexia or some other learning problem, and her mother was told when she was younger (based on IQ testing - Britain and Australia tested kids exhaustively, in those days) then for all her life, her choices were made based on expectations set up by what I believe to be over-rated and often inaccurate testing procedures which need to be modified and adapted for kids who are outside that normal range for whatever reason.</p><p></p><p>It is too easy for clinical psychologists who do the testing (and not all of them; some have their heads screwed on right) to blindly test and not THINK about the person they're assessing. There can be many reasons for a test subject to do poorly, that are NOT related to actually lower intelligence level.</p><p></p><p>So have hope, have faith and use the stats to help your child. </p><p></p><p>I would also be wary of the expensive program - ask around, there is bound to be a much cheaper alternative. Does the psychologist have a financial interest in that program in any way?</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 352661, member: 1991"] IQ tests were originally developed by getting a bunch of kids who were all in a mainstream school setting, sitting these kids down and giving them some tests. The scores were then charted and analysed, and a scoring system worked out so that the mid-range of the spread of results was arbitrarily given a rating of 100. The thing is, the kids tested would not have included kids with Downs Syndrome, kids with other chromosomal defects, kids who didn't speak the same language, kids who had significant disabilities (physical as well as intellectual). It would not have included kids with Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) to any great degree. And yet now - they try to adapt this testing system so they can get some sort of meaningful result? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. It is a GUIDE. That is all. The sub-scores are the most helpful as Susie said, because they can point to areas where the child needs more help. Yep. That is often a reason for a child scoring a lot lower than he/she should. The testing is simply not designed to assess a kid who is either distracted, or in other ways not fully motivated to do the best they can. Both my boys "failed" their first IQ tests. They have since tested as having IQs ranging from 120 to 140. IQ is supposed to be fixed and unchangeable. The fact that so many of us have experienced the opposite, only shows up flaws in the whole testing process. If you believe your son to have an above average IQ, then use this as your working hypothesis. I'm not kidding - even if you are wrong, this is your best chance to hep him do better, by believing he can. And if you are right... how bad would it be to actually be quite intelligent, but constantly be told you are intellectually below par and to have opportunities withheld, because nobody believes you are capable? Susan Boyle is in the news here at the moment; they keep mentioning her mention in interviews that she had a mild intellectual disability. Well, I see no sign of it in her wit, her charm, her interactions when interviewed. But if she had dyslexia or some other learning problem, and her mother was told when she was younger (based on IQ testing - Britain and Australia tested kids exhaustively, in those days) then for all her life, her choices were made based on expectations set up by what I believe to be over-rated and often inaccurate testing procedures which need to be modified and adapted for kids who are outside that normal range for whatever reason. It is too easy for clinical psychologists who do the testing (and not all of them; some have their heads screwed on right) to blindly test and not THINK about the person they're assessing. There can be many reasons for a test subject to do poorly, that are NOT related to actually lower intelligence level. So have hope, have faith and use the stats to help your child. I would also be wary of the expensive program - ask around, there is bound to be a much cheaper alternative. Does the psychologist have a financial interest in that program in any way? Marg [/QUOTE]
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