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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 233666" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>ON top of everything you've just said - what the H was wrong with just letting her wear her cow shirt to the party?</p><p></p><p>Honestly, I just don't understand a system like this. It doesn't happen like this in Australia, not at all. Anyone laying their hands on a child, especially an Aspie child mid-rage, deserves all they get. Charging the CHILd with battery? They put "thumb bruises" on the kid. No teacher would have been hurt, if they </p><p></p><p>1) hadn't tried to make her take off her favourite shirt; and</p><p></p><p>2) hadn't tried to hold her down.</p><p></p><p>The trouble is, Rotsne - you and I might feel this way, because in our neck of the woods, it's not done this way. But unfortnately, there are increasingly large parts of the world where they are so anxious over personal safety that precedents have already been set, to go to whatever lengths deemed necessary in the heat of the moment, to make one child conform and behave according to what rules have been set down.</p><p></p><p>The one time they decide to go easy on a kid like this (in more dangerous places) could be the one situation where the child is genuinely dangerous and the outcome is tragic.</p><p></p><p>Mind you, I find it hard to believe that this situation was entirely unforeseen (the kid IS diagnosed Aspie, they must have seen her stubbornness and raging before) and anyone with experience should have got the message - if the kid is getting upset, back off, leave her alone, she will calm down in time. Meanwhile if you feel it's needed, get the other kids quietly out of there and call the parents (assuming the school can't handle it on their own).</p><p></p><p>Something that always gets my hackles up - when they describe a child like this as "acting out". What the H does that term mean, anyway? The only times I hear that term being used, is by someone who has already made a value judgement on WHY the child is 'misbehaving', and usually a judgement where they consider the child is attention-seeking, or choosing to be difficult purely out of cussedness. I hate the term "acting out" because it is so perjorative, so judgemental, so misleading. And it's so often used to give deliberate bias against the child in question.</p><p></p><p>Ideas have changed considerably, on issues to do with child raising, child education and child discipline. It used to be the done thing to hold the child down, or to apply some sort of pressure or physical control, to a child mid-tantrum. But I beleive it's going out of favour. It should never have been IN favour unless FOR THAT CHILD it was already known to be appropriate and successful. </p><p></p><p>So many times I read of similar stories, and when you go into it the facts indicate that some adult in a position of authority applied a hold or pressure, and got injured by the child as a result (and then had the hide to lay charges against the child!). They need to change this rule across the board in education departments and write this in large red letters, in every schoolroom where there are special needs kids - "DO NOT LAY HANDS ON A difficult child, ESPECIALLY A Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) difficult child. If you do, and you get injured - it's your fault."</p><p></p><p>The way it's handled here - difficult child 3 was a classic case. He threw a dangerous tantrum in the school hall, was throwing chairs at people. But all they did was remove all other people (teachers and other students) from the hall, and called his class teacher (who was able to talk him down). His aide could also have calmed him down, so could the school counsellor and the school principal. And the reason for the rage, was he'd been given conflicting instructions by two different teachers. The school did a quick investigation, realised the problem was teacher-caused, and chose to not punish difficult child 3. They did report it to me, however.</p><p></p><p>But there was no need to call police, no need to get me in there (although I would have gone there, like a shot). All sorted.</p><p></p><p>If weapons had been involved (knives, at most) then police are supposed to be called and there is a mandatory suspension. Charges can be laid, it's at the discretion of the police. But for a child under the age of 10, even deliberately taking a dangerous knife to school (as distinct from a plastic cutlery knife) would still not get them charged. They cannot be charged here, under the age of 10, even for serious crimes. But they can still be suspended and parents can be in trouble if it can be shown tat their neglicence in any way contributed to the problem.</p><p></p><p>Common sense should prevail.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 233666, member: 1991"] ON top of everything you've just said - what the H was wrong with just letting her wear her cow shirt to the party? Honestly, I just don't understand a system like this. It doesn't happen like this in Australia, not at all. Anyone laying their hands on a child, especially an Aspie child mid-rage, deserves all they get. Charging the CHILd with battery? They put "thumb bruises" on the kid. No teacher would have been hurt, if they 1) hadn't tried to make her take off her favourite shirt; and 2) hadn't tried to hold her down. The trouble is, Rotsne - you and I might feel this way, because in our neck of the woods, it's not done this way. But unfortnately, there are increasingly large parts of the world where they are so anxious over personal safety that precedents have already been set, to go to whatever lengths deemed necessary in the heat of the moment, to make one child conform and behave according to what rules have been set down. The one time they decide to go easy on a kid like this (in more dangerous places) could be the one situation where the child is genuinely dangerous and the outcome is tragic. Mind you, I find it hard to believe that this situation was entirely unforeseen (the kid IS diagnosed Aspie, they must have seen her stubbornness and raging before) and anyone with experience should have got the message - if the kid is getting upset, back off, leave her alone, she will calm down in time. Meanwhile if you feel it's needed, get the other kids quietly out of there and call the parents (assuming the school can't handle it on their own). Something that always gets my hackles up - when they describe a child like this as "acting out". What the H does that term mean, anyway? The only times I hear that term being used, is by someone who has already made a value judgement on WHY the child is 'misbehaving', and usually a judgement where they consider the child is attention-seeking, or choosing to be difficult purely out of cussedness. I hate the term "acting out" because it is so perjorative, so judgemental, so misleading. And it's so often used to give deliberate bias against the child in question. Ideas have changed considerably, on issues to do with child raising, child education and child discipline. It used to be the done thing to hold the child down, or to apply some sort of pressure or physical control, to a child mid-tantrum. But I beleive it's going out of favour. It should never have been IN favour unless FOR THAT CHILD it was already known to be appropriate and successful. So many times I read of similar stories, and when you go into it the facts indicate that some adult in a position of authority applied a hold or pressure, and got injured by the child as a result (and then had the hide to lay charges against the child!). They need to change this rule across the board in education departments and write this in large red letters, in every schoolroom where there are special needs kids - "DO NOT LAY HANDS ON A difficult child, ESPECIALLY A Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) difficult child. If you do, and you get injured - it's your fault." The way it's handled here - difficult child 3 was a classic case. He threw a dangerous tantrum in the school hall, was throwing chairs at people. But all they did was remove all other people (teachers and other students) from the hall, and called his class teacher (who was able to talk him down). His aide could also have calmed him down, so could the school counsellor and the school principal. And the reason for the rage, was he'd been given conflicting instructions by two different teachers. The school did a quick investigation, realised the problem was teacher-caused, and chose to not punish difficult child 3. They did report it to me, however. But there was no need to call police, no need to get me in there (although I would have gone there, like a shot). All sorted. If weapons had been involved (knives, at most) then police are supposed to be called and there is a mandatory suspension. Charges can be laid, it's at the discretion of the police. But for a child under the age of 10, even deliberately taking a dangerous knife to school (as distinct from a plastic cutlery knife) would still not get them charged. They cannot be charged here, under the age of 10, even for serious crimes. But they can still be suspended and parents can be in trouble if it can be shown tat their neglicence in any way contributed to the problem. Common sense should prevail. Marg [/QUOTE]
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