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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 276442" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>They won't be getting that service for free. And any fringe benefits would be personal referrals to people who need personal 'cleansings'.</p><p></p><p>You can get the same thing in 'faith healers' too. husband has met this, so has the bloke who was Best Man at our wedding (only he believed it).</p><p></p><p>Best Man came to us and said, as part of idle conversation, "I was once healed of having one leg longer than the other."</p><p>"Yeah? I didn't know you used to have one leg longer than the other," we replied.</p><p>"Neither did I," he told us. The person found it the same night, and then healed it. But I saw it with my own eyes, it was a miracle."</p><p>husband said, "Yeah, the same thing happened to me. Maybe it was the same person?"</p><p></p><p>We knew better than to try to tell Best Man how it's done; but afterwards, husband explained to me how it works. The "faith healer" holds your legs out in front of you (this was also described by Best Man). You only need to hold the legs at a slight angle to one side and you can see a difference in leg length, caused simply by not being perfectly lined up. The 'healer' then does some mumbo jumbo of sorts, and then holds your legs out again (this time correcting the angle he's holding, to make your legs look straight) and - "HEALED"!!</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that it's not possible, but there are too many people out there just itching to take advantage of people like our Best Man. </p><p></p><p>In his case, I doubt that any money changed hands. That night. But it would have brought many people in to the bloke's "ministry" and that would have given him kudos, contributions, fame and publicity.</p><p></p><p>We also have had our current affairs people exposing "faith healers" or seers who claim to lift curses, for a huge fee. Generally people didn't know they were cursed to begin with. But if you loook into your life you can generally find things that haven't gone perfectly to plan and if you look for bad stuff, you will find it. Or if you can't find it, you can still be made afraid that things ARE ABOUT TO go bad. </p><p></p><p>If you truly believe that God heals and answers prayers, then why would you believe that this could only happen through the agency of one particular person and not simply an answer to ANY prayer by ANY person? </p><p></p><p>By all means wear your hair off your neck if you want to. It will probably be cooler in summer, anyway. But doing so can keep in mind the message that was passed on to you, it lets her get under your skin. Just keep your guard up, that is all. It can leave you ripe for exploitation.</p><p></p><p>I just had another look at the message delivered to you.</p><p></p><p>If we assume your father is telling the truth, then somehow tis woman 'guessed' that either you or your daughter have "issues". She said this AFTER she met your father and looked around the house. Well, it is amazing how much our house can tell about us. Or even a space we have been in and perhaps left our mark. An unmade bed; a kid's picture on the wall or on the fridge. It might be obvious from the house that the spare rooms are regularly in use. Your father could well have pictures of you (and your daughter) in that house. He's used to seeing them so doesn't even think of them. A woman who earns a living convincing people she has mystical powers would be good at reading people and using every clue possible.</p><p></p><p>As for "having issues" - she couldprobably work that out fast form your father. A bloke who comes across as a bit oddball will either be easily convinced that his offspring have issues, or they may genuinely have issues purely from having had to grow up dealing with him! It's an educated guess with a good understanding of human nature. There is almost ALWAYS conflict at some level between parent & child, and a difficult person (I gather that describes your father?) would be more willing to believe that YOU have issues, than he does.</p><p></p><p>As for you "feeling better soon" - when someone says to us, "You look awful! Are you feelnig alright?" most of us will immediately be aware of every mild ache and pain and wonder, at least for a few minutes, if we are coming down with something. Even if we feel fine, the power of suggestion can be quite strong.</p><p></p><p>And even if you don't feel any different over the next few days, so what? The idea has been planted in your father, who will only 'know' you feel different if you tell him. Your failure to tell him will in his mind be due to your reluctance to tell him, rather than you feeling the same because nothing really was done. If you said to him, "That won=man is a fraud, we have not felt any different," he would either not believe you, or beleive you to be unobservant. Or a sceptic, not worthy of receiving any benefit from this woman.</p><p></p><p>It's subtle, it's insidious. And it's utter bunkum, because it can never be properly tested. </p><p></p><p>I wonder just how deep this 'witch' has got her claws into the real estate person who brought her? </p><p></p><p>My brother, years ago, went bankrupt. His wife was consulting a fortune teller at the time, and would have been confiding in her fairly deeply. So the fortune teller would have known about the financial troubles, would have known every tiny detail. So when the fortune teller told them, "I predict you will move interstate. You need to do this in order to regain the fortune you have just lost. You WILL make your money back, if you move interstate."</p><p>Of course they moved interstate. And no, they have NOT made their money back. But the fortune teller predicted they would move.</p><p></p><p>But it was an obvious prediction - if you are a bankrupt, there is a ban on how many years you have to wait, before you can start another business IN THAT STATE. Moving interstate negated that ban. </p><p></p><p>And when they moved - that is known as self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like a kid being told, "You can do this, I have fiath in you," and seeing them get up and try again. Then we say, "See? I knew you could do it!" Our confidence in our child pushed him that much harder to achieve. If he had not succeeded, we would have had something to say that still would have been supportive and encouraging.</p><p></p><p>It's also known as "having a bet each way".</p><p></p><p>I never used to be so cynical...</p><p></p><p>My favourite author, Terry Pratchett, has witches in his stories. They describe the process of manipulating people to do what you want, as "headology".</p><p></p><p>I think the witch your father met was good at headology.</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 276442, member: 1991"] They won't be getting that service for free. And any fringe benefits would be personal referrals to people who need personal 'cleansings'. You can get the same thing in 'faith healers' too. husband has met this, so has the bloke who was Best Man at our wedding (only he believed it). Best Man came to us and said, as part of idle conversation, "I was once healed of having one leg longer than the other." "Yeah? I didn't know you used to have one leg longer than the other," we replied. "Neither did I," he told us. The person found it the same night, and then healed it. But I saw it with my own eyes, it was a miracle." husband said, "Yeah, the same thing happened to me. Maybe it was the same person?" We knew better than to try to tell Best Man how it's done; but afterwards, husband explained to me how it works. The "faith healer" holds your legs out in front of you (this was also described by Best Man). You only need to hold the legs at a slight angle to one side and you can see a difference in leg length, caused simply by not being perfectly lined up. The 'healer' then does some mumbo jumbo of sorts, and then holds your legs out again (this time correcting the angle he's holding, to make your legs look straight) and - "HEALED"!! I'm not saying that it's not possible, but there are too many people out there just itching to take advantage of people like our Best Man. In his case, I doubt that any money changed hands. That night. But it would have brought many people in to the bloke's "ministry" and that would have given him kudos, contributions, fame and publicity. We also have had our current affairs people exposing "faith healers" or seers who claim to lift curses, for a huge fee. Generally people didn't know they were cursed to begin with. But if you loook into your life you can generally find things that haven't gone perfectly to plan and if you look for bad stuff, you will find it. Or if you can't find it, you can still be made afraid that things ARE ABOUT TO go bad. If you truly believe that God heals and answers prayers, then why would you believe that this could only happen through the agency of one particular person and not simply an answer to ANY prayer by ANY person? By all means wear your hair off your neck if you want to. It will probably be cooler in summer, anyway. But doing so can keep in mind the message that was passed on to you, it lets her get under your skin. Just keep your guard up, that is all. It can leave you ripe for exploitation. I just had another look at the message delivered to you. If we assume your father is telling the truth, then somehow tis woman 'guessed' that either you or your daughter have "issues". She said this AFTER she met your father and looked around the house. Well, it is amazing how much our house can tell about us. Or even a space we have been in and perhaps left our mark. An unmade bed; a kid's picture on the wall or on the fridge. It might be obvious from the house that the spare rooms are regularly in use. Your father could well have pictures of you (and your daughter) in that house. He's used to seeing them so doesn't even think of them. A woman who earns a living convincing people she has mystical powers would be good at reading people and using every clue possible. As for "having issues" - she couldprobably work that out fast form your father. A bloke who comes across as a bit oddball will either be easily convinced that his offspring have issues, or they may genuinely have issues purely from having had to grow up dealing with him! It's an educated guess with a good understanding of human nature. There is almost ALWAYS conflict at some level between parent & child, and a difficult person (I gather that describes your father?) would be more willing to believe that YOU have issues, than he does. As for you "feeling better soon" - when someone says to us, "You look awful! Are you feelnig alright?" most of us will immediately be aware of every mild ache and pain and wonder, at least for a few minutes, if we are coming down with something. Even if we feel fine, the power of suggestion can be quite strong. And even if you don't feel any different over the next few days, so what? The idea has been planted in your father, who will only 'know' you feel different if you tell him. Your failure to tell him will in his mind be due to your reluctance to tell him, rather than you feeling the same because nothing really was done. If you said to him, "That won=man is a fraud, we have not felt any different," he would either not believe you, or beleive you to be unobservant. Or a sceptic, not worthy of receiving any benefit from this woman. It's subtle, it's insidious. And it's utter bunkum, because it can never be properly tested. I wonder just how deep this 'witch' has got her claws into the real estate person who brought her? My brother, years ago, went bankrupt. His wife was consulting a fortune teller at the time, and would have been confiding in her fairly deeply. So the fortune teller would have known about the financial troubles, would have known every tiny detail. So when the fortune teller told them, "I predict you will move interstate. You need to do this in order to regain the fortune you have just lost. You WILL make your money back, if you move interstate." Of course they moved interstate. And no, they have NOT made their money back. But the fortune teller predicted they would move. But it was an obvious prediction - if you are a bankrupt, there is a ban on how many years you have to wait, before you can start another business IN THAT STATE. Moving interstate negated that ban. And when they moved - that is known as self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like a kid being told, "You can do this, I have fiath in you," and seeing them get up and try again. Then we say, "See? I knew you could do it!" Our confidence in our child pushed him that much harder to achieve. If he had not succeeded, we would have had something to say that still would have been supportive and encouraging. It's also known as "having a bet each way". I never used to be so cynical... My favourite author, Terry Pratchett, has witches in his stories. They describe the process of manipulating people to do what you want, as "headology". I think the witch your father met was good at headology. Marg [/QUOTE]
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