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Thanks to all of you for your thoughts on this. Why me mom, what way would you go if you were me. How did you hear about the wilderness camp and how did you know if was safe and reliable, no abuse,etc.? I'm not sure that is the way either, from professional and personal experience I know something just clicks in these teens and it just happens,takes awhile sometimes. That repsite thing sounds nice but that isn;t for him, wants to be here,work and hang with the friends. OK with me because he needs to work and earn $. He does want to live somewhere else, but has 1 year of hs left and has been moved around to so many schools, he needs the consistency here. Could live with my older son(only 21 though) but I don;t want to shove the problem on him. Still needs transportation,etc. and that is my responsibility. I told him boot camp might be his only choice and he listened, we will see how much change there is. I would like to know how I can find parents who have used a wilderness/boot camp facility. I understand I can't have contact, but I need to know he is safe somewhere and do not believe in isolation. They would need to be reported if there is any abuse/neglect going on. Could do more damage to the child.Any other suggestions would be appreciated.Thanks,Peg2


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