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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 568640" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>Take a look at the US statistics for violent crime during the era in history when gun ownership was common and every household owned at least one. It was extremely low. </p><p></p><p>I know that we seem very similar culturally to England, yet we're not. Not in a lot of very basic ways of thinking. And for good reasons. Which is why our laws have developed the way they have. </p><p></p><p>The guns aren't to blame, the person who pulled the trigger is to blame, mentally ill or not. Without a gun he could have achieved the same goal, just by different means, most especially in this modern technological age. His victims could have been more or less depending on methods used. </p><p></p><p>Our press is not helping either, this constant coverage of tragedies such as these, giving the shooters much more media attention than they should ever have, glamorizing horror, makes it appealing to the right mind set to repeat or one up the last guy. </p><p></p><p>It's also that violence has become a large part of our lives; it's in the programs we watch, our popular music, video games in volumes never seen before. Don't believe me? How many on this post stated either that they're <strong>used </strong>to it "being HS or above" or "it's different because of the age group". Really? It should be equally horrifying regardless of age group or amount of victims. This was senseless loss of life. Yet it isn't because we've become so accustomed to violence that it does not phase us the way it did a century ago. We see it but are apart from it, disassociated from it. It doesn't affect us personally. Back then you didn't see acts of violence unless it affected you personally, it had more impact and you did not grow accustomed to it. </p><p></p><p>Jo, I liked your post because you said Mental Health in this country needs to be reevaluated ASAP, you couldn't be more right. That is where our focus needs to be right now. Most of our severely mentally ill people are walking the streets, a danger to both themselves and society. Yet they go untreated because the severely mentally ill do not voluntarily go for treatment even if they can afford to do so......they don't believe they're ill. It's next to impossible to get them into treatment, and if you do manage there is no long term treatment available because those facilities are nearly completely gone.....what facilities remain have long waiting lists. Society likes to believe we became more "humane" when we closed state hospitals ect. We developed psychiatric medications and believed they were the "cure all". Well, we've had enough time now to see both are untrue. Now our mentally ill crowd prisons (so much more humane huh?) and nursing homes where staff is not trained properly to deal with them. Many more live homeless on the streets unable to cope in society. Extended families are left to deal the best way they can, while given no real means of doing so. We of all people should know that only too well.</p><p></p><p>I probably didn't explain myself very well. I just "woke" up after basically no sleep for my 4th day and haven't yet taken even a sip of coffee.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 568640, member: 84"] Take a look at the US statistics for violent crime during the era in history when gun ownership was common and every household owned at least one. It was extremely low. I know that we seem very similar culturally to England, yet we're not. Not in a lot of very basic ways of thinking. And for good reasons. Which is why our laws have developed the way they have. The guns aren't to blame, the person who pulled the trigger is to blame, mentally ill or not. Without a gun he could have achieved the same goal, just by different means, most especially in this modern technological age. His victims could have been more or less depending on methods used. Our press is not helping either, this constant coverage of tragedies such as these, giving the shooters much more media attention than they should ever have, glamorizing horror, makes it appealing to the right mind set to repeat or one up the last guy. It's also that violence has become a large part of our lives; it's in the programs we watch, our popular music, video games in volumes never seen before. Don't believe me? How many on this post stated either that they're [B]used [/B]to it "being HS or above" or "it's different because of the age group". Really? It should be equally horrifying regardless of age group or amount of victims. This was senseless loss of life. Yet it isn't because we've become so accustomed to violence that it does not phase us the way it did a century ago. We see it but are apart from it, disassociated from it. It doesn't affect us personally. Back then you didn't see acts of violence unless it affected you personally, it had more impact and you did not grow accustomed to it. Jo, I liked your post because you said Mental Health in this country needs to be reevaluated ASAP, you couldn't be more right. That is where our focus needs to be right now. Most of our severely mentally ill people are walking the streets, a danger to both themselves and society. Yet they go untreated because the severely mentally ill do not voluntarily go for treatment even if they can afford to do so......they don't believe they're ill. It's next to impossible to get them into treatment, and if you do manage there is no long term treatment available because those facilities are nearly completely gone.....what facilities remain have long waiting lists. Society likes to believe we became more "humane" when we closed state hospitals ect. We developed psychiatric medications and believed they were the "cure all". Well, we've had enough time now to see both are untrue. Now our mentally ill crowd prisons (so much more humane huh?) and nursing homes where staff is not trained properly to deal with them. Many more live homeless on the streets unable to cope in society. Extended families are left to deal the best way they can, while given no real means of doing so. We of all people should know that only too well. I probably didn't explain myself very well. I just "woke" up after basically no sleep for my 4th day and haven't yet taken even a sip of coffee. [/QUOTE]
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