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<blockquote data-quote="klmno" data-source="post: 495625" data-attributes="member: 3699"><p>Just for clarity, that isn't what I said.</p><p></p><p>The stages, although not clearly definable, can easily be found by googling them if anyone is interested. Here's just one outline:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://alcoholselfhelpnews.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/5-stages-of-alcoholism/" target="_blank">http://alcoholselfhelpnews.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/5-stages-of-alcoholism/</a></p><p></p><p>The stage of physical addiction comes before deteroiration of the body/organs- that doens't mean 2 days before- it could mean 10 years before or whatever, and that would vary for different people.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My grandfather had to be weaned off alcohol at the hospital after a binge to prevent death, several times, because he was so physically addicted and the last time he died going thru it anyway. That doesn't mean I think people who haven't reached that point aren't really alcoholics (most never reach that point), just that there is obviously a progression to the disease. My son now is entering substance abuse programs (not tx center) and obviously, he isn't physically addicted to anything.. And they keep track of that in tx centers by assigning a 'stage' to a pt.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, TL- I wasn't trying to steer your thread differently than it was intended. I thought I might be able to add some clarity to the confusion over some getting messages about stages and physical addiction, etc. I do keep you and your son in my thoughts and hope he is finding a way- a plan to make it thru the winter, at least.</p><p></p><p>ETA: After reading Nancy's post that was posted after this one, I do agree that different drugs have been studied and now they have those on a scale of how physically addictive they are. They say cocaine isn't very physically addictive, but clearly that doesn't mean a person can't be addicted to it, I myself went to tx for cocaine addiction. I was told in the tx center that I was in early stages of addiction and had no physical addiction, but that didn't mean that I wasn't addicted to it. I did have major withdrawal symptoms but they didn't consider that being physically addicted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="klmno, post: 495625, member: 3699"] Just for clarity, that isn't what I said. The stages, although not clearly definable, can easily be found by googling them if anyone is interested. Here's just one outline: [url]http://alcoholselfhelpnews.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/5-stages-of-alcoholism/[/url] The stage of physical addiction comes before deteroiration of the body/organs- that doens't mean 2 days before- it could mean 10 years before or whatever, and that would vary for different people. My grandfather had to be weaned off alcohol at the hospital after a binge to prevent death, several times, because he was so physically addicted and the last time he died going thru it anyway. That doesn't mean I think people who haven't reached that point aren't really alcoholics (most never reach that point), just that there is obviously a progression to the disease. My son now is entering substance abuse programs (not tx center) and obviously, he isn't physically addicted to anything.. And they keep track of that in tx centers by assigning a 'stage' to a pt. Sorry, TL- I wasn't trying to steer your thread differently than it was intended. I thought I might be able to add some clarity to the confusion over some getting messages about stages and physical addiction, etc. I do keep you and your son in my thoughts and hope he is finding a way- a plan to make it thru the winter, at least. ETA: After reading Nancy's post that was posted after this one, I do agree that different drugs have been studied and now they have those on a scale of how physically addictive they are. They say cocaine isn't very physically addictive, but clearly that doesn't mean a person can't be addicted to it, I myself went to tx for cocaine addiction. I was told in the tx center that I was in early stages of addiction and had no physical addiction, but that didn't mean that I wasn't addicted to it. I did have major withdrawal symptoms but they didn't consider that being physically addicted. [/QUOTE]
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